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« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2016, 10:02:24 pm »
« edited: November 05, 2016, 10:06:26 pm by Jacobin American »

My Dad is from Iowa so I feel okay saying this: Iowa farmers are, uh, very simple people who are mocked by townies in Iowa. They, not the "white working class", are the ones moving from Obama to Trump. Notice how well Obama did in southern Iowa. This is a region filled with smallholders who are kept afloat by subsidies and who have been hit hard by a downturn in commodity prices. This is where the swing will come from.

It's widely known that farmers in Iowa are a class that's pretty dumb. Have you heard an Iowan speak? They sound like their brain has been soaked in corn syrup.

oh ffs, enough of this

Literally half of my family (the white side) is from Iowa. There's a reason why literally 0 of them live in Iowa now: it is a state filled with simple-minded fools.

The only one who comes across as the simple minded fool here is you. Iowa is the state which helped catapult an African American Democrat named Barack Hussein Obama to the White House, gave him two decisive victories, and provided a Socialist Brooklyn Jew a virtual tie with a former Secretary of State, First Lady, and Senator. Iowa was one of the first states to legalize gay marriage and has a long history of progressive policies, such as providing early rights to women and abolition of miscegenation laws. I don't know exactly what's causing Iowa to trend so hard for Trump and, yes, it's incredibly disappointing, but you and so many other Democrats here outright attacking Iowans is completely disgusting.

My Dad is literally an Iowan and when I called him to tell me about this poll, his reaction was to say "wow, Iowans are really dumb". Both Grassley and Ernst are very stupid people who are also rock-ribbed Republicans; Ernst is a knock-off of Palin. Iowans voted for Ernst because Brock Brantley gravely insulted farmers by pointing out that chickens emit nasty smells that hurt his property values, which is a fair criticism of people who raise chickens in residential areas! Farmers took this as an insult and voted for the woman who knows about castrating hogs but knows nothing about anything else.

So yeah, uh, I don't feel like being partial to Iowans. They're not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm not saying all Iowans are like this btw. I'm particularly singling out farmers and, even more specifically, farmers from southern Iowa. Have you heard the joke about southern Iowa? "If southern Iowa was added to Missouri, both Missouri and Iowa would have higher IQ levels." Not smart!

Might lower Democratic enthusiasm be the major problem for Clinton in the state, especially in the driftless area? I'd guess that there'll be high turnout for Trump in the south and west of the state along with low turnout for Clinton in the north and east. I just can't fathom how a state could vote so strongly for Obama then so strongly for Trump. There can't be that many crossover voters.

Edit: I'm not going to judge whether you're elitist or not, that's neither my place nor within my capacity. However, you did come across as that in your post. Plus, it'd take more than Southern Iowa farmers to give Trump a commanding victory in the state. So something else is going on there that can't be explained through reference to "ignorant" farmers.
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« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2016, 10:06:55 pm »

My Dad is from Iowa so I feel okay saying this: Iowa farmers are, uh, very simple people who are mocked by townies in Iowa. They, not the "white working class", are the ones moving from Obama to Trump. Notice how well Obama did in southern Iowa. This is a region filled with smallholders who are kept afloat by subsidies and who have been hit hard by a downturn in commodity prices. This is where the swing will come from.

It's widely known that farmers in Iowa are a class that's pretty dumb. Have you heard an Iowan speak? They sound like their brain has been soaked in corn syrup.

oh ffs, enough of this

Literally half of my family (the white side) is from Iowa. There's a reason why literally 0 of them live in Iowa now: it is a state filled with simple-minded fools.

The only one who comes across as the simple minded fool here is you. Iowa is the state which helped catapult an African American Democrat named Barack Hussein Obama to the White House, gave him two decisive victories, and provided a Socialist Brooklyn Jew a virtual tie with a former Secretary of State, First Lady, and Senator. Iowa was one of the first states to legalize gay marriage and has a long history of progressive policies, such as providing early rights to women and abolition of miscegenation laws. I don't know exactly what's causing Iowa to trend so hard for Trump and, yes, it's incredibly disappointing, but you and so many other Democrats here outright attacking Iowans is completely disgusting.

My Dad is literally an Iowan and when I called him to tell me about this poll, his reaction was to say "wow, Iowans are really dumb". Both Grassley and Ernst are very stupid people who are also rock-ribbed Republicans; Ernst is a knock-off of Palin. Iowans voted for Ernst because Brock Brantley gravely insulted farmers by pointing out that chickens emit nasty smells that hurt his property values, which is a fair criticism of people who raise chickens in residential areas! Farmers took this as an insult and voted for the woman who knows about castrating hogs but knows nothing about anything else.

So yeah, uh, I don't feel like being partial to Iowans. They're not the sharpest tools in the shed. I'm not saying all Iowans are like this btw. I'm particularly singling out farmers and, even more specifically, farmers from southern Iowa. Have you heard the joke about southern Iowa? "If southern Iowa was added to Missouri, both Missouri and Iowa would have higher IQ levels." Not smart!

Might lower Democratic enthusiasm be the major problem for Clinton in the state, especially in the driftless area? I'd guess that there'll be high turnout for Trump in the south and west of the state along with low turnout for Clinton in the north and east. I just can't fathom how a state could vote so strongly for Obama then so strongly for Trump. There can't be that many crossover voters.

Compare the voting patterns of southern Iowa with the voting patterns of their brethren across the border with Missouri. This explains why Iowa will swing so sharply towards Trump. For decades rural Iowans have been usually supportive of the Democratic Party compared to their peers and a lot of this can be explained by the farm crisis. It makes sense that they'd snap back to their usual pattern as commodity prices have plunged.

I would not be shocked if working class Iowans swing towards Trump or if they turnout at lower rates but that's not where the swing will be: look to southern Iowa in places like Union County.
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« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2016, 10:14:43 pm »

does anyone really doubt that trump's iowa lead is more like +4 than +7?

ofc maybe IA is the one REAAAAAAALLY low turnout state.
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« Reply #153 on: November 05, 2016, 10:16:52 pm »

Selzer is going to be discredited completely this year.
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« Reply #154 on: November 05, 2016, 10:20:45 pm »

I don't think it's implausible at all that there could be a wide gap between Iowa and Wisconsin this year. There are plenty of differences between the two.
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« Reply #155 on: November 05, 2016, 10:44:41 pm »

Whatever can be said about this poll this idea that farmers are working class is... embarrassing.
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« Reply #156 on: November 05, 2016, 10:54:14 pm »

Whatever can be said about this poll this idea that farmers are working class is... embarrassing.

This entire thread is embarrassing.
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« Reply #157 on: November 05, 2016, 10:56:50 pm »

Iowa has been the one state where the Republican establishment went fully for Trump--and it is paying off for him.

But I think Iowa is now returning to its Republican form and is becoming the next Missouri.  Remember, this is a state that has only been left of the mean since 1984.
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« Reply #158 on: November 05, 2016, 11:16:44 pm »

The swing is going to be in IA-1 if the Blum/Vernon race is actually as close as people think it is. This has been a safe D district in presidential years.

It's really the NW part of the state that is embarrassing...Steve King anyone?
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« Reply #159 on: November 05, 2016, 11:45:30 pm »

Whatever can be said about this poll this idea that farmers are working class is... embarrassing.

Apparently the definition of "working class" is white men who don't have college degrees these days.
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« Reply #160 on: November 05, 2016, 11:52:43 pm »

Whatever can be said about this poll this idea that farmers are working class is... embarrassing.

Apparently the definition of "working class" is white men who don't have college degrees these days.

Bill Gates, working class hero. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #161 on: November 06, 2016, 04:05:16 am »

Well, can Dems at least stop pandering to their stupid corn subsidies now?
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« Reply #162 on: November 06, 2016, 04:43:09 am »

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« Reply #163 on: November 06, 2016, 05:19:27 am »

What to expect from a state that elects Governor Braindead several times?
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« Reply #164 on: November 06, 2016, 05:34:11 am »

Urban minority voters of course see Donald Trump as a threat or at least an anathema. If one rents one sees Donald Trump as the plutocrat who draws the rental payments, someone who get easy money for owning scarce property that allows one to live in the proximity of one's job. If one is a tenant in a giant city Donald Trump reminds you of someone who disposes of much of your personal income. You may see a 'property management company' that seems to simply collect an ever-increasing rental as an exploiter, and Donald Trump as a manifestation of such.

But what if you own your own farm or your own abode (however humble) or have an employer supplying housing to you (possible for a farm laborer)? Someone like Donald Trump is not the problem as an economic drain.
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« Reply #165 on: November 06, 2016, 05:37:58 am »

What the hell happened to this thread? Huh
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« Reply #166 on: November 06, 2016, 07:34:17 am »

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« Reply #167 on: November 06, 2016, 09:27:13 am »


The state is trending republican so dems have to reassure themselves by saying Iowans are dumb Hicks.
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« Reply #168 on: November 06, 2016, 01:18:37 pm »


The state is trending republican so dems have to reassure themselves by saying Iowans are dumb Hicks.

No, we say that Republicans are dumb Hicks, and clearly there are more of them in Iowa than before Smiley
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« Reply #169 on: November 06, 2016, 01:24:26 pm »

not "dumb hicks" but not representative of the whole nation.

the right kind of pub could have invaded IA for some time.
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« Reply #170 on: November 06, 2016, 04:59:10 pm »

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« Reply #171 on: November 06, 2016, 05:02:11 pm »

I trust Selzer. Iowa is likely R.

If they're wrong though, I'm really shocked at just how quick they've fallen from grace.
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« Reply #172 on: November 06, 2016, 06:24:33 pm »

I expect Trump to win, but I don't expect it to be by that much.
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« Reply #173 on: November 06, 2016, 06:28:28 pm »

Whatever can be said about this poll this idea that farmers are working class is... embarrassing.

Apparently the definition of "working class" is white men who don't have college degrees these days.

yes, this 1000 times.
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« Reply #174 on: November 09, 2016, 10:19:02 pm »

So either A) Marquette will be wildly off this cycle, B) Selzer will be wildly off this cycle, or C) Iowa will vote 13 points to the right of Wisconsin.

Turns out the answer was A, and amusingly enough, the answer was also C Cheesy
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