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« on: November 09, 2016, 02:56:13 AM »
« edited: November 09, 2016, 11:28:13 PM by pppolitics »

Nothing else changed except that Comey didn't make the October 28 announcement.

Would Hillary have won without James Comey's October 28 announcement?

Hillary was leading by double digit although it was slowly declining, then on October 28, James Comey sent letter saying that he found more emails on Anthony Weiner's computer.

On November 6, less than 48 hours before the election, Comey announced that the emails were either  duplicated or personal.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 02:58:09 AM »

No. Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 02:58:26 AM »

No.
The main problem is shy Trump effect and increasing rural turnout; admittedly it was not imaginable (AS OF MYSELF) before results from FL came in.
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 03:04:20 AM »

No, there was no one factor that cost her the election. It was a whole host of complicated factors.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 06:54:55 AM »

The ridiculous notion that Hillary was some sort of criminal that somehow permeated the news coverage, along with tons of latent sexism damaged her throughout. Comey was the final straw.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 06:55:56 AM »

No. Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 06:57:59 AM »

No, there was no one factor that cost her the election. It was a whole host of complicated factors.

Yes. But Comey was a decisive one. Given how narrow Trump's wins in PA, WI, and MI and FL were, a 1-2 percentage points would have flipped it. Hillary would have won a late October election.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 06:59:10 AM »

The ridiculous notion that Hillary was some sort of criminal that somehow permeated the news coverage, along with tons of latent sexism damaged her throughout. Comey was the final straw.
This.

Also, the Clinton camp had planned to spend the last week doing the positive picth for Clinton. Something that was seriously lacking. Instead they spent the week talking about nothing but e-mails due to Comey.

So yeah, I think Comey likely cost her the election, but I would like to see the final margins in the critical states. I feel it could have cost her 2-3 points overall.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 08:19:23 PM »

Its in the top tier of factors.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 08:50:01 PM »

Politico today reported they were already getting worried before the Comey thing broke. The signs for this Trump victory was present there for all to see at that time, it's just that Atlas bought the Media line and refused to accept that there was truth in what Trump and Republicans were saying regarding the polls and other data points (Crowd size at rallies, for example).
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2016, 08:54:22 PM »

Yes. That was the final straw.

It was her "No Soviet Domination".
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2016, 08:55:34 PM »

No. Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2016, 08:58:12 PM »

No one thing lost it. It may have been sufficient, but it wasn't necessary.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2016, 09:07:32 PM »

well Clinton lost PA, MI and WI by 1% or less so if you think the comey email thing hit her by 1% or more, then you have to conclude yes. The polls were all off but there was certainly a trend down after the Comey letter. Also Trump won late deciders and he significantly won people who had a negative view of both Trump and Clinton.

Perhaps the candidate he one with the more recent 'scandal' was hurt more with this group who didn't like either. 

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2016, 09:09:26 PM »

No, but I think it's far more likely the Obamacare open enrollment premium hikes did.

Certainly more of an impact. And Hillary knew these increases were coming and yet strongly attacked Bernie's single payer, with Chelsea even saying how Bernie was going to take away your ObamaCare. Ironically ObamaCare is probably going away because Bernie wasn't the nominee.
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2016, 09:29:34 PM »

No. Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2016, 11:23:28 PM »
« Edited: November 09, 2016, 11:29:24 PM by pppolitics »

Let me restate the question:

Nothing else changed except that Comey didn't make the October 28 announcement.

Would Hillary have won without James Comey's October 28 announcement?
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2016, 12:04:33 AM »

Let me restate the question:

Nothing else changed except that Comey didn't make the October 28 announcement.

Would Hillary have won without James Comey's October 28 announcement?


And I repeat, yes.

She would've won Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, and retained Pennsylvania to offset the others like MI, WI, OH, and IA.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2016, 12:07:19 AM »

I feel Hillary Clinton would have still lost without the Comey stuff.

Hillary Clinton cost her the election - She was as hated even before Comey & if you didn't see that you are a delusional. Similarly her record was also terrible.

If you lose against Trump, you would have to take responsibility! And why on earth is someone who had her own server during the entire time as SoS who handled Classified material & lied about it be allowed to run?

With or without Comey, you don't get rewarded for doing terrible things! And if we want to place the "IF" game, then think what it would be vs Kasich. Kasich would have won NV, CO, VA, NH, ME & MN in addition!
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2016, 12:31:52 AM »

No. Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
Exactly. James Comey didn't set up a private server and to delete 33,000 e-mails after Congress serves you with a subpoena.

James Comey didn't tell Cheryl Mills to direct her IT contractors to use Bleach Bit on those e-mails.

James Comey did exactly what he had to do when 650,000 e-mails show up on the computer of the pervert husband of Hillary Clinton's top aide when that top aide claimed no such e-mails existed.

James Comey didn't tell Hillary to call those who are in the other team's camp "deplorables" and "irredeemables" either.

James Comey also didn't tell Hillary Clinton to cover up being sick on 9/11 only to get caught falling down while getting into the campaign van.

James Comey didn't tell  Hillary Clinton to hold 1 or 2 rallies a day or take a week off the campaign trail for "debate prep" when Trump was outworking her on the trail.

This loss is squarely on the shoulders of Hillary Clinton and her staff.
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2016, 02:30:50 AM »

No. Hillary Clinton cost Hillary Clinton the presidential election.
Exactly. James Comey didn't set up a private server and to delete 33,000 e-mails after Congress serves you with a subpoena.

James Comey didn't tell Cheryl Mills to direct her IT contractors to use Bleach Bit on those e-mails.

James Comey did exactly what he had to do when 650,000 e-mails show up on the computer of the pervert husband of Hillary Clinton's top aide when that top aide claimed no such e-mails existed.

James Comey didn't tell Hillary to call those who are in the other team's camp "deplorables" and "irredeemables" either.

James Comey also didn't tell Hillary Clinton to cover up being sick on 9/11 only to get caught falling down while getting into the campaign van.

James Comey didn't tell  Hillary Clinton to hold 1 or 2 rallies a day or take a week off the campaign trail for "debate prep" when Trump was outworking her on the trail.

This loss is squarely on the shoulders of Hillary Clinton and her staff.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2016, 02:58:58 AM »

I will say no.

It is unlikely that the shift necessary to put Trump into office was caused by that email scandal alone.

It's not what Hillary did, said or was accused of which won the election for Donald Trump.

I felt it was more about what Donald Trump saw in the failures of the previous "establishment" and his bitter vitriole against it which made voters turn towards him.

And with that in mind, the Republican voters had made their mind up a long time ago about voting for him.

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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2016, 03:17:00 AM »

Exactly. James Comey didn't set up a private server and to delete 33,000 e-mails after Congress serves you with a subpoena.

James Comey didn't tell Cheryl Mills to direct her IT contractors to use Bleach Bit on those e-mails.

James Comey did exactly what he had to do when 650,000 e-mails show up on the computer of the pervert husband of Hillary Clinton's top aide when that top aide claimed no such e-mails existed.

James Comey didn't tell Hillary to call those who are in the other team's camp "deplorables" and "irredeemables" either.

James Comey also didn't tell Hillary Clinton to cover up being sick on 9/11 only to get caught falling down while getting into the campaign van.

James Comey didn't tell  Hillary Clinton to hold 1 or 2 rallies a day or take a week off the campaign trail for "debate prep" when Trump was outworking her on the trail.

This loss is squarely on the shoulders of Hillary Clinton and her staff.

My fellow Republicans be bringing that heat today.
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2016, 04:14:06 AM »

E-mails were a meme. Not a real issue.

The only issue in this election, and the only issue that caused Clinton to lose, was this nation's slow decline into third world status under 40 years of neo-liberalism.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2016, 05:57:48 AM »

Comey is a disgusting person. He is sure to be fired (by Obama of Trump) to be forgotten and never mentioned again.
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