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« on: November 13, 2016, 12:57:03 AM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 01:01:55 AM »

We don't even know which direction the Democratic party will take, or how popular Trump will be, so too early to tell.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 02:22:09 AM »

The fact that AZ might be within 2 points it needs to be.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2016, 02:28:24 AM »

Of the two Georgia has a Senate race that year which could be crucial to a majority, so that's one reason to prioritize it.

I think winning back the Rust Belt is a better option though.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 02:47:38 AM »

Arizona, Yes. Georgia, No.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2016, 03:37:14 AM »

The Democrats need to focus on rebuilding its hold on the Great Lakes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 04:32:45 AM »


The Democrats need to focus on rebuilding its hold on the Great Lakes.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 07:04:41 AM »

Yes because I believe they should have a 50 states strategy.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 07:06:45 AM »

Yes because I believe they should have a 50 states strategy.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 09:34:51 AM »

Will there be any meaningful elections in the Capitalist Reich of Americda in 2020?

Sure. High-school student-council elections.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 12:08:29 PM »

I doubt either would be the tipping point state, but Democrats really need to make more states competitive for Congressional elections in the short-term and presidential elections in the long-term, so I hope that they invest some resources in both states.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2016, 01:06:00 PM »

Arizona should be a target.

Georgia should be a target as well.  The white vote in Georgia is more inelastic than the white vote in Arizona, however, and the type of campaign waged by the Democrats has made that so.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2016, 01:10:02 PM »

i realize how freaking partisan the US has become....

a few years ago, i guess, trump would have been killed by republican voters, i figure.

the center candidate won't win anymore....which means, third way is dead.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2016, 01:14:55 PM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
I think you're ignoring that Trump was also a poor candidate, especially for these two states that have large metro areas with a large suburban white population that will likely swing back to the GOP in 2020. Arizona is more promising for Democrats than Georgia.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2016, 01:26:09 PM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
I think you're ignoring that Trump was also a poor candidate, especially for these two states that have large metro areas with a large suburban white population that will likely swing back to the GOP in 2020. Arizona is more promising for Democrats than Georgia.
A "poor candidate" doesn't crack the electoral walls in WI, MI, and PA.  That's not the resume of a "poor candidate".

I agree that AZ is more promising than GA, but GA is increasing its black population at a rapid rate, and it's a more middle class black population that votes more often.  It's white population is also changing, and becoming (slowly) more liberal, as white working professionals move into metro Atlanta. 
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2016, 01:28:36 PM »

of course, the demographics look better than places like Iowa, plenty of EVs on the table, population change should continue. No reason not to
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 01:29:01 PM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
I think you're ignoring that Trump was also a poor candidate, especially for these two states that have large metro areas with a large suburban white population that will likely swing back to the GOP in 2020. Arizona is more promising for Democrats than Georgia.
A "poor candidate" doesn't crack the electoral walls in WI, MI, and PA.  That's not the resume of a "poor candidate".

I agree that AZ is more promising than GA, but GA is increasing its black population at a rapid rate, and it's a more middle class black population that votes more often.  It's white population is also changing, and becoming (slowly) more liberal, as white working professionals move into metro Atlanta. 
You're right; While he was a poor candidate in my opinion, He did succeed in changing the electoral map which is a massive achievement.

Also, Georgia's white population isn't really getting more liberal.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2016, 01:30:59 PM »

Democrats should target everything.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2016, 01:32:19 PM »
« Edited: November 13, 2016, 01:34:21 PM by DS0816 »

The Democratic Party—while and after getting rid of their old guard and antiquated establishment careerists (who represent Death to the Party)—should present the entire nation with a modern New Deal-type party. By doing that, they would not be limited in being designed to merely carry up to 30 states and District of Columbia with winning presidential elections.
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2016, 01:34:53 PM »

The Democratic Party—while and after getting rid of their old guard and antiquated establishment careerists—should target the entire nation with a modern New Deal-type party. By doing that, they would not be limited in being designed to merely carry up to 30 states and District of Columbia with winning presidential elections.

As a rather good journalist on Twitter (who I can't remember pointed out) the New Deal stopped legislating in 1938; lost it's majority in 1946 and then got destroyed in 1952.

To a much lesser degree the Obama Coalition was like the New Deal- based around one figure
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2016, 01:41:13 PM »

YES to both.
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2016, 02:16:25 PM »

Depends on how Trump is doing.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2016, 02:40:44 PM »


This is basically the answer for every question asked on this board.

i think, 100 days after his inauguration he MUST show his cards and we can see the pic more clearly.
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2016, 05:34:31 PM »

I really believe that if Trump in his first term is decent then the Rust belt is going to be difficult for the Democrats to win and in that circumstance I think Wisconsin/Iowa/Ohio are out of reach so they need to win 3/4 of Florida/Georgia/North Carolina
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2016, 08:22:27 PM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
I think you're ignoring that Trump was also a poor candidate, especially for these two states that have large metro areas with a large suburban white population that will likely swing back to the GOP in 2020. Arizona is more promising for Democrats than Georgia.
A "poor candidate" doesn't crack the electoral walls in WI, MI, and PA.  That's not the resume of a "poor candidate".

I agree that AZ is more promising than GA, but GA is increasing its black population at a rapid rate, and it's a more middle class black population that votes more often.  It's white population is also changing, and becoming (slowly) more liberal, as white working professionals move into metro Atlanta. 

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/11/01/white-voter-registration-sinks-below-57-percent-in-georgia/
http://onlineathens.com/local-news-uga-mobile/2016-06-21/georgia-growth-super-concentrated-atlanta-half-states-counties-are

- Whites are down over 90K in Georgia since 2012, the only group in decline.
- Half of the state's counties are losing population.

https://www.georgiapol.com/2016/11/09/cobb-county-trumpophobic/
https://www.georgiapol.com/2016/11/10/analysis-election-gwinnett/

Henry County was expected to flip to Clinton, but no mainstream experts expected Gwinnett to, never mind Cobb. The white vote is a little flexible it seems in Georgia, at least in Atlanta.
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