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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2016, 03:21:07 PM »

Pretty high at this point, especially since it seems like we're going to hand the party over to Bernie without a fight.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2016, 03:21:43 PM »


Fycking re*tard, Corbin may have flaws, but by no ways is he a bigot. If you must talk about a bigot Om the left-wing in U.K. politics, that would be George Galloway.

We get it, you don't care about Jews. Thanks for proving my point.

The Republicans are the anti-Semitic party in the United States though.
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2016, 03:30:03 PM »

The Republicans are the anti-Semitic party in the United States though.
Wrong, though I must say this could be the case if all goes wrong with Bannon and the like. But even then, competition will be stiff, particularly if Keith Ellison takes over the Democratic Party.

Fycking re*tard, Corbin may have flaws, but by no ways is he a bigot. If you must talk about a bigot Om the left-wing in U.K. politics, that would be George Galloway.
Of course you would dismiss his anti-Semitism. Btw if you're going to call someone a retard you might as well do it without a *. Ray Goldfield is right here.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2016, 03:31:29 PM »

Pretty high at this point, especially since it seems like we're going to hand the party over to Bernie without a fight.
And this is the right answer to the question posed by the OP. Many Democrats seem to think they lost because they were not left-wing enough, which is untrue.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 03:37:48 PM »

since the republicans won through becoming much more economically left-wing, there is a case to be made. Wink
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 03:41:10 PM »
« Edited: November 15, 2016, 03:44:15 PM by Tintrlvr »

Why do people think Gabbard is either GOP-lite or so commie weirdo? She seems a bit left/dovish for my tastes (based on what I see on fb) but she could probably make a great President or at least Veep. The only problem is that she is from Hawaii. She would be the biggest thing since Super Bad from Hawaii. But if Palin, from Alaska, could start a movement of violent loons and weirdos that wins Congress, why can't she?

She's a center-left moderate with a well-packaged anti-establishment left-progressive image that she's aggressively cultivated because she sensed a good opportunity to make a name for herself when Sanders came along. She's definitely to the right of even some moderate establishment Democrats like Andrew Cuomo and Cory Booker in reality. Loretta Sanchez is probably a good point of comparison in terms of actual ideology. Maybe that makes Gabbard GOP-lite (a lot of liberal Dems seem to think Sanchez is GOP-lite), but it's hard to imagine a Republican who would be capable of occupying that point on the political spectrum without being torn apart in a primary.

I actually think Gabbard stands a good chance of making a real splash from Hawaii, if only because she is excellent at self-promotion in a way that few other Democratic politicians are (really only Cuomo comes to mind of those with similar skills).
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2016, 04:26:31 PM »

Maybe we'll go full Miliband and Minnesota will be our Gower.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2016, 04:28:34 PM »

There are no elected national politicians that are ideologically anything similar to Corbyn; even Sanders is miles to the right of him.
^This

Sanders isn't really comparable to Corbyn ideologically.  They are both anti-establishment, and are to the left of their parties, but what Sanders stands for is much closer to Miliband than Corbyn.  The only people far-left enough to resemble Corbyn can be found in the Green Party.
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2016, 04:32:06 PM »

i despise the self-defeating, liberalism-hating, nihilist, crypto-marxist, anti-free-trade, anti-instutionalist, russian-adoring stand of corbyn.....
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2016, 04:36:30 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2016, 04:38:18 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2016, 04:39:08 PM »

Please let's not replace Nancy Pelosi with a right-wing, pro-Assad homophobe thanks.
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2016, 04:40:45 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii

Unfortunately that's a problem.
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2016, 04:57:27 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii

Unfortunately that's a problem.

A lot of people seem to like her purely because she quit the DNC and supported Sanders; but beyond that there's lots of black flags. I wouldn't mind being in charge of opposition research for a rival campaign in 2020 if she ran
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2016, 05:05:01 PM »

A bigger fear of mine is that Democrats are going to go full Trump in 2020, and let their anger get the best of them, and think something along the lines of "you like celebrities who piss people off, huh? Well try this on for size!"
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2016, 07:08:06 PM »

The Republicans are the anti-Semitic party in the United States though.
Wrong, though I must say this could be the case if all goes wrong with Bannon and the like. But even then, competition will be stiff, particularly if Keith Ellison takes over the Democratic Party.

Fycking re*tard, Corbin may have flaws, but by no ways is he a bigot. If you must talk about a bigot Om the left-wing in U.K. politics, that would be George Galloway.
Of course you would dismiss his anti-Semitism. Btw if you're going to call someone a retard you might as well do it without a *. Ray Goldfield is right here.

No Corbyn is not an anti-semite, you can't call anti-semitism for a more harsh position on Israel. Of course his links to Palestinians  organisations are wrong,  but that doesn't make him an anti-semite. The  british right's agenda to make him look like an anti-semite is ridiculous, and he clearly not one.
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2016, 07:11:24 PM »

Very likely.
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2016, 07:21:17 PM »

The Republicans are the anti-Semitic party in the United States though.
Wrong, though I must say this could be the case if all goes wrong with Bannon and the like. But even then, competition will be stiff, particularly if Keith Ellison takes over the Democratic Party.

Fycking re*tard, Corbin may have flaws, but by no ways is he a bigot. If you must talk about a bigot Om the left-wing in U.K. politics, that would be George Galloway.
Of course you would dismiss his anti-Semitism. Btw if you're going to call someone a retard you might as well do it without a *. Ray Goldfield is right here.

No Corbyn is not an anti-semite, you can't call anti-semitism for a more harsh position on Israel. Of course his links to Palestinians  organisations are wrong,  but that doesn't make him an anti-semite. The  british right's agenda to make him look like an anti-semite is ridiculous, and he clearly not one.

he is ofc not an anti-semite but like so many on the left his critique of israel swaps into "anti-zionism" and draws a similarity between the acts of israel and other countries in the region, which is, imho, more or less appeasement.

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2016, 07:45:24 PM »

A bigger fear of mine is that Democrats are going to go full Trump in 2020, and let their anger get the best of them, and think something along the lines of "you like celebrities who piss people off, huh? Well try this on for size!"

Who would that be? Someone like Sean Penn?
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2016, 08:19:44 PM »

The Democrats  decision to begin propelling Rep. Keith Ellison to the DNC chairmanship signifies that the Democrats are beginning to reject being an (officially) center left party and embrace the fringe...this could hurt any chance they had at making inroads in Suburbia.
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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2016, 09:40:51 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii

Unfortunately that's a problem.

A lot of people seem to like her purely because she quit the DNC and supported Sanders; but beyond that there's lots of black flags. I wouldn't mind being in charge of opposition research for a rival campaign in 2020 if she ran

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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2016, 09:49:12 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii

Unfortunately that's a problem.

A lot of people seem to like her purely because she quit the DNC and supported Sanders; but beyond that there's lots of black flags. I wouldn't mind being in charge of opposition research for a rival campaign in 2020 if she ran

There's some great attack ad material right here:

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Her view on Assad seems Opeboesque for those who remember him. She seems like a pretty standard progressive from an Indian family. Even very liberal Indians are hawkish on Islamic Extremism. I think the position on guns is pretty libertarian leaning and something that we should promote to contrast ourselves with an authoritarian Trump Admin.
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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2016, 09:53:08 PM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii

Unfortunately that's a problem.

A lot of people seem to like her purely because she quit the DNC and supported Sanders; but beyond that there's lots of black flags. I wouldn't mind being in charge of opposition research for a rival campaign in 2020 if she ran

There's some great attack ad material right here:

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Her view on Assad seems Opeboesque for those who remember him. She seems like a pretty standard progressive from an Indian family. Even very liberal Indians are hawkish on Islamic Extremism. I think the position on guns is pretty libertarian leaning and something that we should promote to contrast ourselves with an authoritarian Trump Admin.

She's not Indian. She's Samoan and white. She is a convert to Hinduism.

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« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2016, 12:30:03 AM »

I think Gabbard should be the next House Democratic Leader. Not because I agree with everything she says, but because we need a new, non-toxic face in the House.

I know I'm dabbing in the worse of the left but she's got a lot of questionable ties from her family in Hawaii

Unfortunately that's a problem.

A lot of people seem to like her purely because she quit the DNC and supported Sanders; but beyond that there's lots of black flags. I wouldn't mind being in charge of opposition research for a rival campaign in 2020 if she ran

There's some great attack ad material right here:

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Her view on Assad seems Opeboesque for those who remember him. She seems like a pretty standard progressive from an Indian family. Even very liberal Indians are hawkish on Islamic Extremism. I think the position on guns is pretty libertarian leaning and something that we should promote to contrast ourselves with an authoritarian Trump Admin.

She's not Indian. She's Samoan and white. She is a convert to Hinduism.



Actually her mother converted to Hinduism.
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« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2016, 07:55:45 AM »

The Republicans are the anti-Semitic party in the United States though.
Wrong, though I must say this could be the case if all goes wrong with Bannon and the like. But even then, competition will be stiff, particularly if Keith Ellison takes over the Democratic Party.

Fycking re*tard, Corbin may have flaws, but by no ways is he a bigot. If you must talk about a bigot Om the left-wing in U.K. politics, that would be George Galloway.
Of course you would dismiss his anti-Semitism. Btw if you're going to call someone a retard you might as well do it without a *. Ray Goldfield is right here.

No Corbyn is not an anti-semite, you can't call anti-semitism for a more harsh position on Israel. Of course his links to Palestinians  organisations are wrong,  but that doesn't make him an anti-semite. The  british right's agenda to make him look like an anti-semite is ridiculous, and he clearly not one.
What about Livingstone, Shami, etc?

The problem isn't that Corbyn is anti semitic, but rather that he has a weak response to blatant anti semitism
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