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« on: November 22, 2016, 03:11:36 am »

Why don't the Democrats try and win the electoral college?

It would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate it and that's just not going to happen. I've heard and read all the arguments and yes, a constitutional amendment will be needed to effectively eliminate it.

It would make more sense for Democrats to start addressing and appealing to the needs of the nation as a whole, and not just thin slivers of land along the Left coast and small areas in the upper NE. It would be easier to win that way than some dead end effort to eliminate the electoral college.

Just try and win with the rules that are in place first.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2016, 07:27:40 am »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 11:08:16 am »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

Huh? What are you talking about?

Out of the last 5 elections you have lost the EC 3 times.

Out of the last 8 elections Dems have only won the mythical popular vote twice, same as Repubs.

Out of the last 10 elections the Repubs have won the mythical popular votes 4 times and the Dems still twice.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 11:09:05 am »

Two words: split California.  Constitutionally 10X easier than abolishing the EC.

And what do you propose that would do?
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 02:37:47 pm »

Two words: split California.  Constitutionally 10X easier than abolishing the EC.

And what do you propose that would do?

Equalize senators per person and balance out the EC.

You would have to amend the constitution to do that and you simply cannot do it. Easier to appeal to ALL real Americans. In other words, your message sucks and the broad cross section of real America hates you.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 03:18:09 pm »

Two words: split California.  Constitutionally 10X easier than abolishing the EC.

And what do you propose that would do?

Equalize senators per person and balance out the EC.

You would have to amend the constitution to do that and you simply cannot do it. Easier to appeal to ALL real Americans. In other words, your message sucks and the broad cross section of real America hates you.

Creating new states out of existing ones doesn't require amending the constitution.  West Virginia was admitted with only a federal law.  Also, the Dakota Territory was split into two parts  and admitted as 2 separate states for explicitly partisan reasons to benefit Republicans.

"Equalizing" (as you put it) Senators per person would require amending the constitution. Quit proposing dumb things that will never happen.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 07:46:16 pm »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

Huh? What are you talking about?

Out of the last 5 elections you have lost the EC 3 times.

Out of the last 8 elections Dems have only won the mythical popular vote twice, same as Repubs.

Out of the last 10 elections the Repubs have won the mythical popular votes 4 times and the Dems still twice.
Democrats won the popular vote in 1992-2000, 2008-2016 (6 times). You don't need a majority of the vote to win the PV.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2016, 03:43:58 am »

The Democrats do need to broaden their appeal, Hillary should have done better. However, this is a long shot, but there is a thing called the NPVIC.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2016, 08:53:39 am »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

Huh? What are you talking about?

Out of the last 5 elections you have lost the EC 3 times.

Out of the last 8 elections Dems have only won the mythical popular vote twice, same as Repubs.

Out of the last 10 elections the Repubs have won the mythical popular votes 4 times and the Dems still twice.

I don't know what you mean or how this refutes my point, but the Democrats have won the EC in 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012, while losing it in 2000, 2004, and 2016 - Hence, we have won 4 of the last 7 elections in the electoral college and my point is correct.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2016, 12:28:50 pm »

Out of the last 1 elections, Democrats have never won! Sad!
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2016, 01:17:23 pm »

Why don't the Democrats try and win the electoral college?

It would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate it and that's just not going to happen. I've heard and read all the arguments and yes, a constitutional amendment will be needed to effectively eliminate it.

It would make more sense for Democrats to start addressing and appealing to the needs of the nation as a whole, and not just thin slivers of land along the Left coast and small areas in the upper NE. It would be easier to win that way than some dead end effort to eliminate the electoral college.

Just try and win with the rules that are in place first.

The Democrats won 6 of the last 7 elections.  I'm guessing it's another political party the American people hate, not the Democrats.
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2016, 10:01:23 am »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

if you keep this pc crap going you may never win like that again.
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2016, 01:51:13 pm »

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2016, 03:56:11 pm »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

if you keep this pc crap going you may never win like that again.

What does this even mean? I literally stated a fact...
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2016, 04:02:06 pm »

The Democrats do need to broaden their appeal, Hillary should have done better. However, this is a long shot, but there is a thing called the NPVIC.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016, 10:53:53 pm »

The Democrats do need to broaden their appeal, Hillary should have done better. However, this is a long shot, but there is a thing called the NPVIC.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
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See my previous post in this thread.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 03:03:16 am »

Guys, in order for the Electoral College to be eliminated, three fourths of all states would have to vote in favor of that proposal (Constitutional Amendment). That is never ever going to happen. Small states, which dominate the Electoral College, will never vote for the Amendment that would effectively render them irrelevant.

So, let’s stop this futile discussion about elimination of the Electoral College.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2017, 11:17:27 am »

Guys, in order for the Electoral College to be eliminated, three fourths of all states would have to vote in favor of that proposal (Constitutional Amendment). That is never ever going to happen. Small states, which dominate the Electoral College, will never vote for the Amendment that would effectively render them irrelevant.

So, let’s stop this futile discussion about elimination of the Electoral College.


You realize that the NPVIC exists? And that Vermont and DC are part of it?
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2017, 09:53:24 pm »

Guys, in order for the Electoral College to be eliminated, three fourths of all states would have to vote in favor of that proposal (Constitutional Amendment). That is never ever going to happen. Small states, which dominate the Electoral College, will never vote for the Amendment that would effectively render them irrelevant.

So, let’s stop this futile discussion about elimination of the Electoral College.


You realize that the NPVIC exists? And that Vermont and DC are part of it?

Right. It's absurd how people are like "small states will never vote for NPVIC because they'd be irrelevant under it, unlike the current system" where D.C. is super relevant.
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2017, 10:33:03 am »

so the OP proposes, democrats should do identity politics, just for other identities...i see.
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2017, 10:49:28 pm »

I think the Democrats ARE trying to win the electoral college.
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2017, 12:15:19 pm »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

But you only won 4/10 of the last elections, or 5/13.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2017, 07:07:23 pm »

It was a fluke that Trump won WI, PA, and MI



Cory Booker/Steve Bullock 266
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Trump/Pence 235

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2017, 09:21:39 pm »

Don't worry MAGA. Democrats are actually exploring a sun belt strategy, which is highly correlated to the Electoral College.
NPVIC won't happen by 2020, so they will again focus on the EC.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2017, 11:03:13 pm »

We did. We won 4/7 of the last elections through the Electoral College.

Huh? What are you talking about?

Out of the last 5 elections you have lost the EC 3 times.

Out of the last 8 elections Dems have only won the mythical popular vote twice, same as Repubs.

Out of the last 10 elections the Repubs have won the mythical popular votes 4 times and the Dems still twice.

Of the last seven elections, the Dems have won four. Anybody can pick an arbitrary time frame to stack the numbers in their favor.

It was a fluke that Trump won WI, PA, and MI
Cory Booker/Steve Bullock 266
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Trump/Pence 235

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Nominate Cory Booker and I can guarantee Dem turnout will be even lower than 2016 and Trump would win reelection by a larger margin than 2016.
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