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« on: December 03, 2016, 09:25:48 PM »
« edited: February 21, 2017, 04:46:09 PM by Left »

This is the new official thread for Northern news and business because we need one. A few things we need to get to:

1. Elections for Northern Assembly are coming up December 9. There are currently four announced candidates (R2D2, JGibson, evergreen, and LLR), but this is a five person body and one of the announced candidates might not make it. So, if you are interested in becoming something more than a likely voter (as you should be), then run. the worst case scenario is that you lose, in which case you try again later. And if for whatever reason you decide not to run, then remember to at least vote.

2. There is also an election for Class II Senator at the same time as the Northern Assembly elections. There is currently one candidate, Scott (so if a Federalist wants to quickly set up some opposition they can - we're not North Korea yet). Remember to vote in this one, too.

Because of the less than active Northern Assembly there's not much else I can say here (except for me finally introducing a bill I said I would introduce a month ago). Our unemployment rate is 7.0%, which is high but much lower than the South's.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2016, 10:39:30 PM »

Actually, it's not. The Northern Constitution states that the size of the Assembly varies according to the number of candidates on the ballot: five seats if there are six or more candidates on the ballot, or three seats otherwise.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2016, 10:45:19 PM »

Actually, it's not. The Northern Constitution states that the size of the Assembly varies according to the number of candidates on the ballot: five seats if there are six or more candidates on the ballot, or three seats otherwise.

I like big Assemblies, so let's get six people on the ballot.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 12:00:23 PM »

Actually, it's not. The Northern Constitution states that the size of the Assembly varies according to the number of candidates on the ballot: five seats if there are six or more candidates on the ballot, or three seats otherwise.

I like big Assemblies, so let's get six people on the ballot.

Or maybe not.

Elections are right now, there isn't much else to say that hasn't been already said in the OP, other then go out and VOTE. Preferably for Labor candidates. We have a Senate and Assembly race and there is a federal election going on at the same time.

Maybe some other Northerners could participate in this thread if they have something to say.

Oh, and remember to VOTE!
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 12:56:32 PM »

What I have to say is I don't believe in three persons assembly. It's almost like having a private discussion. You need three very active people because if one of the three is not very active it's difficult to be functioning. Even with five people, there will be some less active or having less active period because of real life but the effort to get the region moving forward is spread on more shoulders. I know people like competitive elections but I prefer all five candidates being elected for assembly than a three person assembly.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2016, 07:15:27 PM »

What I have to say is I don't believe in three persons assembly. It's almost like having a private discussion. You need three very active people because if one of the three is not very active it's difficult to be functioning. Even with five people, there will be some less active or having less active period because of real life but the effort to get the region moving forward is spread on more shoulders. I know people like competitive elections but I prefer all five candidates being elected for assembly than a three person assembly.

It's in the Constitution so there isn't much we can do about it in this election. However, the next Assembly could amend the Constitution to make five person Assemblies mandatory.

And remember to VOTE, everybody.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2016, 08:34:34 PM »

I know people like competitive elections but I prefer all five candidates being elected for assembly than a three person assembly.
This has been argued before, and it always comes to the same end: uncompetitive elections beget unrepresentative, inactive Assemblies that are neither accountable to the voters nor sustainable in the long run. I saw this first hand in the Mideast last year: there is a direct relationship between the likelihood of an elected representative loosing their seat and the long-term activity of the legislature they serve. As I said at the time,

Representatives in the Assembly would still be chosen by the direct vote of the electorate and would continue to hold all the authority they do now; the only difference is that, instead of electing five representatives and seeing 20-40% of them play no role in the lawmaking process, Mideasterners would choose three representatives, allowing them to select the best, most dedicated candidates. Not only would this make elections more exciting, it would increase the likelihood that the people who win those elections are active, committed citizens. In that sense, I would argue that this amendment actually strengthens the voice of the people, for surely there is no advantage in electing officials who neglect their duties.

If you want evidence that a three-man legislature can be effective, turn to the South, which went from a five to three seats in their legislative body earlier this year. Since making that change, the Region has had two highly competitive gubernatorial elections (compared to two veritable landslides in the Mideast during the same period), and their May legislative election saw twice as many candidates as open seats (compared to 4 candidates for 5 seats in the Mideast that month). All this took place despite a population that is much smaller than ours.

We went over and over this at the ConCon last year: without some way to adjust the size of the Assembly as interest waxes and wains, there will inevitably be long periods where we can barely find enough candidates to fill every seat. The result is a legislature that hardly pretends to represent the will of the people (for if there are no more candidates than seats, the people have their representatives thrust upon them, instead of representatives being democratically chosen by the people); a chamber of last resorts dragged in at the last minute to provide a quorum. As someone who spent countless days and nights in the Mideast pleading with anyone who would even consider running for the Assembly, only to see many of those people lapse into inactivity the moment the votes were counted, I can testify that such a system is unsustainable. A flexible legislature does not guarantee activity, but it goes a long way to ensure that there is some hurdle to clear before one can represent the people of the North, instead of the "everybody wins" model that ultimately results when the size of the legislature is expanded beyond the region's capacity to support it.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2016, 10:43:38 AM »

I know this has been discussed before and decided but the door was opened to citizen's input and sometimes I can't stop myself in expressing my disagreements.
 
I favor the everybody wins model in regional assembly. This is based on candidates running because they are interested and not because they have been asked to run and do it only because someone asked or to increase the numbers.

New players usually start a career by regional assembly. This is the way the integrate into the game and gain experience. If there are four of five candidates but only three elected, there is good chance the most well known candidates will win. They could not stick around for another try or lose interest because they couldn't play. So yes I favor four or five people being able to participate and not rejecting one or two.

With only three assemblypersons, there is not much choice for the important roles of keeping the region functioning: Speaker and Lieutenant Governor (runs elections). Two of the three needs to take another role. Maybe they don't have the experience if they are new, or have the interest, time, or ability to fill the supplement role.

Maybe a three person assembly can be fun if the three are very active but the risk is high when one doesn't participate everything stops. In my experience of five in assembly when only 2 or three are active and debate it was not fun and interesting.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2016, 07:32:20 PM »

The Assembly has three people. I independently counted the votes and the results should be JGibson, evergreen, and Maxwell getting in. Ascott won the Senate election, obviously. The next election won't be for a while, but I hope this new Assembly gives us a lot to talk about.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2016, 09:07:14 PM »

we're just waiting on dar to close it??
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2016, 09:16:27 AM »

I calculated the vote tallies for Assembly using this program and the results came out differently:

Candidates=4 Seats=3 Votes=16 Quota=4
Raw votes
vote 1: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson)
vote 2: (JGibson) (20RP12) (evergreen) (Maxwell)
vote 3: (JGibson) (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen)
vote 4: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen)
vote 5: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson)
vote 6: (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) (JGibson)
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (20RP12) (JGibson)
vote 8: (none) (20RP12) (none) (none)
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (JGibson)
vote 10: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen)
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (JGibson)
vote 12: (JGibson) (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12)
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (none)
vote 14: (none) (20RP12) (none) (none)
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (20RP12) (JGibson)
vote 16: (none) (none) (none) (none)
Round 1 votes
vote 1: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 2: (JGibson) (20RP12) (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 3: (JGibson) (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 4: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 5: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 6: (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (20RP12) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 8: (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 10: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 12: (JGibson) (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 14: (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (20RP12) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 16: vote value = 1

evergreen = 3
JGibson = 5
Maxwell = 3
20RP12 = 4

Most votes currently held by a candidate = 5.
Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1.
JGibson has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining to be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated.
Round 2 votes
vote 1: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 2: (20RP12) (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 3: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 4: (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 5: (20RP12) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 6: (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 8: (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 10: (Maxwell) (20RP12) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 12: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) vote value = 0.2
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 14: (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (20RP12) vote value = 1
vote 16: vote value = 1

evergreen = 3.2
JGibson = 0
Maxwell = 3.4000000000000004
20RP12 = 4.4

Most votes currently held by a candidate = 4.4.
Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1.
20RP12 has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining to be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated.
Round 3 votes
vote 1: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 2: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 0.0181818181818182
vote 3: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.0181818181818182
vote 4: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 5: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 6: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 8: vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 10: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 12: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 14: vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 16: vote value = 1

evergreen = 3.2181818181818187
JGibson = 0
Maxwell = 3.6000000000000005
20RP12 = 0

Fewest votes won by a candidate = 3.2181818181818187.
Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 1.
evergreen is eliminated.
Round 4 votes
vote 1: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 2: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.0181818181818182
vote 3: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.0181818181818182
vote 4: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 5: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 6: (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 8: vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 9: (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 10: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 11: (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 12: (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 13: (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 14: vote value = 0.09090909090909098
vote 15: (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 16: vote value = 1

evergreen = 0
JGibson = 0
Maxwell = 6.818181818181819
20RP12 = 0

Most votes currently held by a candidate = 6.818181818181819.
Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1.
Maxwell has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining to be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated.
The election is complete and the elected candidates are (JGibson) (20RP12) (Maxwell).
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2016, 10:39:29 AM »

shouldn't quota be 5, scott?
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2016, 11:01:05 AM »

looks like the result is the same regardless?

(sry for quality, i'm on a train)
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2016, 11:21:48 AM »
« Edited: December 13, 2016, 11:24:00 AM by Senator Scott »

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I think that might depend on if we count Poirot's non-vote?

I could never math right. Sad

EDIT: Oh, I saw you made note of that on your sheet.  His blank ballot shouldn't influence the result one way or the other.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2016, 03:15:19 PM »

Since Poirot wrote himself in, I counted him as a candidate. If you do, it does change the results:

Candidates=5 Seats=3 Votes=16 Quota=4
Raw votes
vote 1: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson) (none)
vote 2: (JGibson) (R2D2) (evergreen) (Maxwell) (none)
vote 3: (JGibson) (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (none)
vote 4: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) (none)
vote 5: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson) (none)
vote 6: (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) (JGibson) (none)
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (R2D2) (JGibson) (none)
vote 8: (Poirot) (R2D2) (none) (none) (none)
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (JGibson) (none)
vote 10: (none) (JGibson) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen)
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (JGibson) (none)
vote 12: (JGibson) (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (none)
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (none) (none)
vote 14: (Poirot) (R2D2) (none) (none) (none)
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (R2D2) (JGibson) (none)
vote 16: (Poirot) (none) (none) (none) (none)
Round 1 votes
vote 1: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 2: (JGibson) (R2D2) (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 3: (JGibson) (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 4: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 5: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 6: (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (R2D2) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 8: (Poirot) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 10: (JGibson) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 12: (JGibson) (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 14: (Poirot) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (R2D2) (JGibson) vote value = 1
vote 16: (Poirot) vote value = 1

evergreen = 3
JGibson = 5
Maxwell = 3
R2D2 = 2
Poirot = 3

Most votes currently held by a candidate = 5.
Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1.
JGibson has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining to be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated.
Round 2 votes
vote 1: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 2: (R2D2) (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 3: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 4: (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 5: (R2D2) (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 6: (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 8: (Poirot) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 10: (Maxwell) (R2D2) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 12: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) vote value = 0.2
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 14: (Poirot) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) (R2D2) vote value = 1
vote 16: (Poirot) vote value = 1

evergreen = 3.2
JGibson = 0
Maxwell = 3.4000000000000004
R2D2 = 2.4
Poirot = 3

Fewest votes won by a candidate = 2.4.
Number of candidates with the fewest votes = 1.
R2D2 is eliminated.
Round 3 votes
vote 1: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 2: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 3: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 4: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 5: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 6: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 7: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 8: (Poirot) vote value = 1
vote 9: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 10: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 11: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 12: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 0.2
vote 13: (evergreen) (Maxwell) vote value = 1
vote 14: (Poirot) vote value = 1
vote 15: (Maxwell) (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 16: (Poirot) vote value = 1

evergreen = 3.4000000000000004
JGibson = 0
Maxwell = 5.6000000000000005
R2D2 = 0
Poirot = 3

Most votes currently held by a candidate = 5.6000000000000005.
Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1.
Maxwell has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining to be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated.
Round 4 votes
vote 1: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2857142857142858
vote 2: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 3: (evergreen) vote value = 0.05714285714285716
vote 4: (evergreen) vote value = 0.05714285714285716
vote 5: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2857142857142858
vote 6: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2857142857142858
vote 7: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2857142857142858
vote 8: (Poirot) vote value = 1
vote 9: (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 10: (evergreen) vote value = 0.05714285714285716
vote 11: (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 12: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2
vote 13: (evergreen) vote value = 1
vote 14: (Poirot) vote value = 1
vote 15: (evergreen) vote value = 0.2857142857142858
vote 16: (Poirot) vote value = 1

evergreen = 5
JGibson = 0
Maxwell = 0
R2D2 = 0
Poirot = 3

Most votes currently held by a candidate = 5.
Number of candidates with the greatest number of votes = 1.
evergreen has exceeded the quota and is elected. If there are seats remaining to be filled, the surplus will now be reallocated.
The election is complete and the elected candidates are (JGibson) (Maxwell) (evergreen).
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2016, 03:47:15 PM »

poirot only wrote himself in for senate tho, not assembly Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2016, 03:55:16 PM »

poirot only wrote himself in for senate tho, not assembly Tongue

Yup yup.

So the whole Assembly race came down to one blank ballot. Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2016, 04:29:04 PM »

What I have to say is I don't believe in three persons assembly. It's almost like having a private discussion. You need three very active people because if one of the three is not very active it's difficult to be functioning. Even with five people, there will be some less active or having less active period because of real life but the effort to get the region moving forward is spread on more shoulders. I know people like competitive elections but I prefer all five candidates being elected for assembly than a three person assembly.

It's in the Constitution so there isn't much we can do about it in this election. However, the next Assembly could amend the Constitution to make five person Assemblies mandatory.

And remember to VOTE, everybody.

But if  you can't get 5 or 6 candidates to run then what?

Appointments by the Governor?

And if nobody is willing to accept the appointment then what?
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2016, 05:25:05 PM »

And the results are now official. Maxwell, JGibson, and R2D2 have been elected. I repeat the sentiment I stated earlier in this thread:

I hope this new Assembly gives us a lot to talk about.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2017, 05:50:21 PM »

With the resignation of Maxwell, not only will the Northern Assembly have to vote on a replacement Speaker, the North will also have to hold a special election next weekend in order to replace Maxwell's Assembly position. So if any Northern citizen is interested then they can run.
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 08:48:00 PM »
« Edited: January 07, 2017, 09:06:31 PM by Left »

With the resignation of Maxwell, not only will the Northern Assembly have to vote on a replacement Speaker, the North will also have to hold a special election next weekend in order to replace Maxwell's Assembly position. So if any Northern citizen is interested then they can run.

Nobody announced, but I'll just appoint it since I'm allowed to do that if nobody announces by Friday.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 12:46:37 AM »

With the resignation of Maxwell, not only will the Northern Assembly have to vote on a replacement Speaker, the North will also have to hold a special election next weekend in order to replace Maxwell's Assembly position. So if any Northern citizen is interested then they can run.

Nobody announced, but I'll just appoint it since I'm allowed to do that if nobody announces by Friday.

It appears that we now have one announced candidate.
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2017, 09:36:07 AM »

Elections are going on right now so vote in this thread if you haven't already. The only announced candidate is drewmike, but maybe some Federalist could launch a last minute write-in campaign to make this election interesting.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2017, 09:25:30 PM »

The Assembly has three people. I independently counted the votes and the results should be JGibson, evergreen, and Maxwell getting in. Ascott won the Senate election, obviously. The next election won't be for a while, but I hope this new Assembly gives us a lot to talk about.
I calculated the vote tallies for Assembly using this program and the results came out differently:
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The election is complete and the elected candidates are (JGibson) (20RP12) (Maxwell).

Hello, new resident of the North here.  I am not trying to rock the boat, I'm just trying to understand.  I counted the votes for Assembly and came up with a 3rd result LOL.  Since it looked like 3 equal seats were to be filled, I just counted anyone with a 1, 2, or 3 as a "yes" vote for that candidate.  Can someone explain to me why that method is wrong in a "vote for up to 3" election? 

Thanks, Pedro Smiley

P.S. I came up with
20RP12 14
Maxwell 12
evergreen 10
JGibson 5

Top 3 vote getters: 20RP12, Maxwell, evergreen?
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2017, 01:03:11 AM »

Hello, new resident of the North here.  I am not trying to rock the boat, I'm just trying to understand.  I counted the votes for Assembly and came up with a 3rd result LOL.  Since it looked like 3 equal seats were to be filled, I just counted anyone with a 1, 2, or 3 as a "yes" vote for that candidate.  Can someone explain to me why that method is wrong in a "vote for up to 3" election? 

Thanks, Pedro Smiley

P.S. I came up with
20RP12 14
Maxwell 12
evergreen 10
JGibson 5

Top 3 vote getters: 20RP12, Maxwell, evergreen?
First off, welcome to Atlasia! We're glad to have you here.

Your tally found a different set of candidates "winning" the election because you counted the votes incorrectly. I'm not sure how familiar you are with alternative voting systems, so I'll start at the beginning.

In the real life United States, we use a voting system called "First Past the Post." On election day, citizens go to the polls and mark the ballot for their preferred candidate(s); after the polls close, the votes are tallied and the candidate(s) with the most votes win. This system is simple, but it carries several flaws. Most importantly, it makes it very hard - if not impossible - for third parties and independents to win elections, because voting for them makes it more likely that your preferred major party will be defeated. For this reason, Atlasia does not use the First Past the Post system; instead, federal and local elections utilize an alternative method sometimes called "Instant Runoff Voting," or "IRV."

IRV works like this: when a citizen casts their ballot, they rank the candidates for election in order of preference ("1" indicates their first choice, "2" their second, etc.). When all the votes are in, the election administrator counts all the "1" votes. The results of a hypothetical election might look like this:

ROUND 1 - 1st Preferences
Jackson   8 votes
Adams   7 votes
Crawford   4 votes
Clay   2 votes

In order to win the election, a candidate needs a majority of the votes cast (11 votes in our hypothetical example). If no candidate has a majority, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and the ballots cast for them are redistributed to the candidate ranked second on each ballot. This continues until a candidate has a majority.

In our example, the counting might proceed like this:

ROUND 2 - 1st Preferences + Clay's Transfers
Adams   9 votes (+2)
Jackson   8 votes
Crawford   4 votes
Clay   2 votes

*As the candidate with the fewest votes, Clay is eliminated; both of his supporters ranked Adams second, so their votes transfer to Adams.


ROUND 3 - 1st Preferences + Clay's Transfers + Crawford's Transfers
Adams   11 votes (+2)
Jackson   10 votes (+2)
Crawford   4 votes
Clay   2 votes

*No candidate has a majority, so Crawford is eliminated. Two of his supporters ranked Adams second, while two ranked Jackson second. The final result is Adams 11, Jackson 10, and Adams is elected.

In elections where multiple candidates will be elected, the rules are a little different, but that's the basic idea. If you want to learn more about IRV, you might start with this excellent video by CGP Grey.

Hope this helped.
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