New Zealand Election 2017

[Sestak]

Congratulations to Jacinda Ardern, 40th Prime Minister of New Zealand.

[mileslunn]

Well I guess Canada is no longer the sole Anglosphere country with a centre-left PM.  Trudeau must be feeling old as first Macron, then Kurz, and now Ardern it seems choosing young leaders is becoming popular.  UK and US interestingly enough have fairly old leaders of their parties.

[JonHawk]

As long as Greens does not have any influence im ok with labour-nz first...expect a large chunk of nz first voters to swing towards national in 2020

[Sestak]

Robertson confirmed as Finance Minister.

[Sestak]

And Wikipedia edits done.

Again, congratulations to Jacinda.

I guess this puts me in the National column for 2020 (for now).

[Sestak]

Alright everyone.

Here's the question:

Does English resign?

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Changed my username for the celebration.

We'll have to see the Greens reaction, but it seems that NZ will have a change in government. Hasta la vista English!

[mileslunn]

How long until Jacinda Ardern is officially prime-minister.  My understanding is anytime there is a change in government there is always a transition period.  In Canada it is usually around 2-3 weeks typically where the outgoing PM remains PM until the incoming one takes over.  The US has a ridiculous 10 weeks transition so on what date approximately does she get sworn in?  On the other hand the UK usually does it the next day where the incoming one visits the PM at least if there is a majority.  If a hung parliament then it takes a bit longer.

[Lachi]

Maybe Ardern winning Mt. Albert earlier in the year was a good omen. Helen Clarke also held that seat during her tenure as PM

[Pericles]

Winston went with Labour. Greens are in cabinet.  Ardennes has spoken and addressed the nation, 'honored to be PM'.

[136or142]

Doesn't seem quite right to me as National did end up 7.5% end of Labour.  I'm not sure if the Greens are sort of an assumed Labour Party coalition partner as Labour and the Greens combined would have only been about 1% behind National.

[Lachi]

Doesn't seem quite right to me as National did end up 7.5% end of Labour.  I'm not sure if the Greens are sort of an assumed Labour Party coalition partner as Labour and the Greens combined would have only been about 1% behind National.

The default in NZ is to count Labour and the Greens together.

[136or142]

Doesn't seem quite right to me as National did end up 7.5% end of Labour.  I'm not sure if the Greens are sort of an assumed Labour Party coalition partner as Labour and the Greens combined would have only been about 1% behind National.

The default in NZ is to count Labour and the Greens together.

Ah, well that's different.

[lilTommy]

Doesn't seem quite right to me as National did end up 7.5% end of Labour.  I'm not sure if the Greens are sort of an assumed Labour Party coalition partner as Labour and the Greens combined would have only been about 1% behind National.

The default in NZ is to count Labour and the Greens together.

Ah, well that's different.

Remember MMP is a proportional system, while the Nationals had the most votes, they did not obtain a majority alone. Labour-NZF-Greens have a majority and have now agreed to form a government.

[Frodo]

How about just another election.  I suspect after his antics, New Zealand First won't make the 4% cut off so either it will be a National majority or a Labour-Green government.

Yes, I think National will be favored in the next election if only because their voters will have that 'we wuz robbed' drive that the ruling coalition will not have. 

[mvd10]

[SoreLoser]LOSEston. I'm looking forward to see a National landslide in 2020 . The right should avoid working with pathetic figures like Peters anyway.[/SoreLoser]

Anyway, congratulations with selling your soul to the devil Winston Peters. I hope you'll like it .

[IceAgeComing]

This was hardly that surprising - from all accounts Peters worked better in government with Labour in the past than he did with the Nationals and the relationship was a lot more positive with them, so it makes sense.  Also consider that he is getting old and the talk was that this would possibly be his last election and the party would go to hell without him anyway, so may as well go for the people who would think that you'd work better with since its lot like you'll be the one cleaning up the mess afterwards.

This is arguably the biggest test of public reaction to PR in New Zealand: in that its the first election where the clear "winner" in a FPTP context won't be forming government.  I don't think that there'll be any real demand to move away from MMP but it might annoy a few people...

[Kamala]

Ideally, Winston retires at the next election, NZF falls apart and Labour absorbers their voters.

[Tender Branson]

A tiny beam of light for Social Democracy, which had a horrible year so far ...

Totally destroyed in the Netherlands (less than 10%), eliminated in France in favour of a working-class bashing Neo-Liberal, didn't make it in the UK, removed from power in Germany (getting their lowest result ever), still out of power in Norway (+ lost support), a surprisingly stable election result in Austria after all the trouble (but they will probably lose their government spot to a right-wing coalition).

[Hydera]

A tiny beam of light for Social Democracy, which had a horrible year so far ...

Totally destroyed in the Netherlands (less than 10%), eliminated in France in favour of a working-class bashing Neo-Liberal, didn't make it in the UK, removed from power in Germany (getting their lowest result ever), still out of power in Norway (+ lost support), a surprisingly stable election result in Austria after all the trouble (but they will probably lose their government spot to a right-wing coalition).

Labour in NZ agreed to immigration curbs demanded by NZ First.   If Social democracy stops kowtowing to their further to left wings to not act on immigration they will win.

[Sestak]

Okay, let's look at the Cabinet so far:

Winston, Mark, Tracey Martin, and Shane Jones look to be in. Winston has also been offered the deputy PM role and is "considering it".

I'm assuming Winston asked for and will get Foreign Affairs, don't know about the others.

As for Labour's side of things, Winston confirmed that he didn't get the Finance Minister post, meaning that the position will likely go to Robertson.

Is there anything else known that I missed?

[Vega]

General discussion thread is up.