Silent night, holy night ? Not so much.

[Tender Branson]

Things happening over the past 24 hours:

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/222205

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http://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2816597

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http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/berliner-u-bahn-unbekannte-wollten-obdachlosen-anzuenden-a-1127490.html

[hurricanehink]

A flight carrying 92 musicians and entertainers to Russian soldiers in Syria crashed in the Black Sea, with all aboard feared killed. 😢

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/95836892/?client=safari

Meanwhile, Typhoon Nock-ten struck the eastern Philippines. 76,000 people stayed in shelters instead of their own houses for Christmas. No word on impacts yet.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/856428/76000-evacuated-in-albay-as-typhoon-nina-moves-closer-to-bicol

[Tender Branson]

Things happening over the past 24 hours:

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/222205

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http://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2816597

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http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/berliner-u-bahn-unbekannte-wollten-obdachlosen-anzuenden-a-1127490.html

The group turned themselves in after the pressure got too high.

6 of the 7 are Syrians and one is a Libyan.

All of them are between 15 and 21 years old.

[Beezer]

And all of them recently came to the country as refugees.



It's a ing mess in Germany. If you had predicted some of these stories a year ago (mass rape in Cologne, migrants trying to burn a homeless guy alive) you'd have been decried as racist. Well, reality has turned out to be significantly worse than the bleakest forecasts.

[Tender Branson]

And all of them recently came to the country as refugees.



It's a ing mess in Germany. If you had predicted some of these stories a year ago (mass rape in Cologne, migrants trying to burn a homeless guy alive) you'd have been decried as racist. Well, reality has turned out to be significantly worse than the bleakest forecasts.

No, I have warned about these kinds of things not a year ago but already one and a half years ago when the mass immigration wave started ...

[Beezer]

Even doctors sometimes have anger management issues...

Rampaging Syrian migrants kick baby on bus, then attack paramedics trying to treat child

The shocking attack happened at approximately 9pm on Sunday night in Augsburg, one of Germany's oldest cities.

Residents were being evacuated following the discovery of a bomb from the Second World War and some had boarded a replacement night bus when a fight broke out.

Several Syrian migrants erupted with anger because of a pram taking up space on the bus.

Migrants hurled abuse at other passengers before a fight broke out, with four of the Syrian men using the handles on the bus to hoist themselves up and attack women and old people to try and drag them into the fighting, according to an eyewitness.

The migrants paid no attention to anyone in their way, at one point kicking a one-year-old in the face.

Paramedics were called and arrived on the scene to help the injured but the men began attacking them with belts - not letting up until the police were called.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/747942/Rampaging-Syrian-migrants-KICK-BABY-bus-attack-paramedics

[Tender Branson]

In before "soft-on-immigrant-crime" Kalwejt jumps in and calls your post "... is similar to those in the Stürmer ! OUTRAGE ! OUTRAGE !" while ignoring that these are actual, serious crimes committed (once again) by nice integrating "refugees".

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Surely you he title would have been catchier as "silent night? Yeah right!"

[Tender Branson]

2 more severe incidents in Austria just today:

* In Upper Austria, a 22-year old Afghan asylum seeker attacked a 50-year old woman with a knife, who came to their asylum home to read in the Bible in front of them. The attack led to no serious injury because the woman wore a thick winter coat. The Afghan told the police "he has problems" and that the attack was not about religion.

http://ooe.orf.at/news/stories/2817250

* In Vienna, a more serious incident took place: A "15"-year old "Somali" asylum seeker attacked another 15-year old girl with a knife, threatening to kill her. A social worker who was present tried to calm him down. The "15"-year old then threw the knife into the chest of the 15-year old girl, leading to a life-threatening injury. The girl had emergency surgery and is in stable condition. The "Somali" was arrested for attempted murder.

"Somali", because police is still trying to verify if he's really from Somalia and what his real age is: he had 3 different documents with him when he arrived in Austria ...

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2817160

[Devout Centrist]

Tibi was right, Europe's not going to move forward with any serious plan for refugees and migrants because two sides keep hijacking any discussion of cultural integration for their own benefit.

[Lord Halifax]

Tibi was right, Europe's not going to move forward with any serious plan for refugees and migrants because two sides keep hijacking any discussion of cultural integration for their own benefit.

Integration of Arabs and Africans is unacceptable to large parts of the European population, so setting out integration as the goal is in itself problematic as this mass immigration hasn't been approved by the populace. If you do that, you have already decided the migrants can never be sailed back to their countries of origin, and the forced immigration is a fait accompli. European countries are democracies and the citizens need to be heard directly (through referendums) at some point. Only if there is a majority can you then proceed with integration (ideally qualified majority of, say, 60% of the electorate as it is a monumental decision).

[Beezer]

The problem in Europe is that we don't have multi- but duo-culturalism instead. You have the native population and a huge and surging Muslim minority. That is bound to create tension - and it will as a matter of fact be the death knell for many center-left or leftist parties because white working class voters will continue to migrate towards right-wing populist parties.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Meanwhile, a former female staffer of Matthias Büttner - currently AfD deputy group leader in the state parliament of Saxony-Anhalt - is pressing charges against him for sexual assault and attempted rape:
http://www.volksstimme.de/sachsen-anhalt/sexuelle-noetigung-anzeige-gegen-afd-politiker-buettner

In Lower Saxony, a member of the so-called Reichsbürgerbewegung attacked and injured two police officers during a traffic control:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/niedersachsen-reichsbuerger-verletzt-zwei-polizeibeamte-a-1127880.html

In Northrhine-Westphalia, a Turkish man was threatened with a knife and then beaten up by a 39-year German while driving with the bus:
http://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/baesweiler-bus-gewalt-100.html

A 75-year old woman from Northrhine-Westphalia who's working as a refugee relief volunteer received an e-mail demanding her to stop her volunteer work otherwise she would be killed:
http://www.nw.de/lokal/kreis_guetersloh/schloss_holte_stukenbrock/schloss_holte_stukenbrock/21520949_Fluechtlingshelfer-werden-bedroht.html

In Brandenburg, an Afghan asylum seeker was attacked with a knife after having been asked where he's from:
http://www.moz.de/lokales/artikel-ansicht/dg/0/1/1538922/

In a train station in Bavaria, an alcoholized 30-year old German attacked a 19-year old Somali asylum seeker and pushed him on the railroad tracks:
http://www.rosenheim24.de/bayern/altoettinger-bahnhof-asylbewerber-angepoebelt-geohrfeigt-aufs-gleis-geschubst-7141059.html

An office of the IG Metall labor union received a Christmas card with a picture of the Dachau concentration camp and the demand "to hang all Muslims":
http://www.schwaebische.de/region_artikel,-Postkarte-Neonazi-ruft-zum-Mord-an-Moslems-auf-_arid,10584999_toid,1.html


The hypocrisy in this thread disgusts me to no end. Sure, you can single out any news report of a immigrant committing a crime and make it look like the only thing immigrants do is committing horrible crimes. But this works with pretty much any group of people. Including Germans. Or Austrians.

Wolfgang P., the member of the Reichsbürgerbewegung who shot and killed a police officer  and injured a couple of others this October? German. Not an immigrant.

Wilfried W. and Angelika B., currently on trial for luring women into their home and torturing and killing them for sexual pleasure? Germans. Not immigrants.

Silvio S., who raped and killed two underage boys (including the four-year old refugee Mohammed)? German. Not an immigrant.

Manfred Seel, who was recently revaled as a serial killer who's suspected to have been murdered up to nine women and one boy between 1971 and 2004 (including Turkish immigrant Hatice Erülkeroglu)? German. Not an immigrant.

Former nurse Niels Högel, who was sentenced to life last year for having murdered more than 40 of his patients? German. Not an immigrant.

Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz, who deliberatly crashed his plane and killed all of his 150 passengers? German. Not an immigrant.

The three members of the National Socialist Undergroung (NSU), who murdered a couple of Turkish and Greek immigrants as well as a police officer? Germans. Not immigrants.

The estimated 100 to 200 supporters of the NSU who either had knowledge of their crimes or helped them do it in some manner? Germans. Not immigrants.

Anders Behring Breivik, who murdered almost 80 people in 2011? Norwegian. Not an immigrant.

Josef Fritzl? Austrian. Not an immigrant.

Wolfgang Přiklopil, the abductor and captor of Nataschka Kampusch? Austrian. Not an immigrant.


Now every single time an immigrant has committed a crime his "culture" of origin is made responsible for the crime. So why is there never a debate about the role of Western/European culture when one of the aforementioned crimes perpetrated by a European happened? Seems to me that Western culture is inherently violent, brutal, and barbaric too and the supposedly barbaric Muslims are a good "fit" for our countries.

With knowledge of these aforementioned crimes, would you be willing to let European immigrants into Tunisia if you were native Tunisian? With hindsight, should the parents of the 4-year old refugee Mohammed not come to Germany knowing that their boy would be raped and killed by a German here?

Should Europeans and Muslims be better kept separate so that is ensured that Europeans are only murdered by Europeans and Muslims are only murdered by Muslims?

The truth is: A signficant portion of the human race is scum and it doesn't really matter where the scum was born. But when the atrocities are committed by foreigners at the very least you have the opportunity to feel better about yourself because and you can delude yourself into thinking that your own ethnic group is more "civilized" than and superior to the perpetrators' group of origin. But at the end of the, a significant portion of the human race is still barbaric scum. Including Germans, Austrians, Norwegians etc.

Final remark: Look at my signature. The overwhelming and clear majority of crimes mentioned in my post were committed by men not women. The crimes mentioned by Tender Branson in this thread were committed by men not women. Gender is the commonality, not origin. Yet Tender Branson never started a thread discussing male violence before, only immigrant violence.

Why is this? Because he's male himself and it is always easier to accuse a group which you don't belong to yourself than a group which you're a part of?

Not that I'm trying to say that all men are potential rapists and murderers. But then again, neither are Muslims. Or immigrants. Or Germans. Or Austrians.

[Tender Branson]

Josef Fritzl? Austrian. Not an immigrant.

Wolfgang Priklopil, the abductor and captor of Nataschka Kampusch? Austrian. Not an immigrant.

While horrible crimes, you probably understand that these are 2 cases (I repeat: two) in the 70 years of crime history since WW2.

And there are 7.4 million Austrian citizens.

And then you have these crimes from the Arabs and North Africans, on a daily basis.

I repeat: daily basis.

And there are not 7.4 million Arabs and North Africans in Austria.

Maybe 200.000 of them ...

You see, their crime rate is like 100x that of Austrians.

[ingemann]

Tibi was right, Europe's not going to move forward with any serious plan for refugees and migrants because two sides keep hijacking any discussion of cultural integration for their own benefit.

Integration of Arabs and Africans is unacceptable to large parts of the European population, so setting out integration as the goal is in itself problematic as this mass immigration hasn't been approved by the populace. If you do that, you have already decided the migrants can never be sailed back to their countries of origin, and the forced immigration is a fait accompli. European countries are democracies and the citizens need to be heard directly (through referendums) at some point. Only if there is a majority can you then proceed with integration (ideally qualified majority of, say, 60% of the electorate as it is a monumental decision).

Integration are acceptable to the vast majority, the problem are that Muslim immigration specific is a net negative (economical), at the same time they don't look like they have any wish to meaningfully integrate. At last some people have made Muslim their cause and decides that any complains about them for several decades was racism. This mean today it's next to impossible to call people out for racism unless they're really awful.

[Tender Branson]

The hypocrisy in this thread disgusts me to no end.

And I find it disgusting how you and other fellow left-wingers with the Rosarote Brille on are trying to shield these disgusting Arab and North African criminals. Or even worse: trying to make it look like as if there's no problem with them at all. At least I - as a left winger too - have long seen it coming and I'm willing to expose and tackle this problem and not ignore it.

Anyway, looking at official crime statistics from Austria (2015, the last available in total):

There were 133 cases of murder (§ 75) last year, including attempts.

Police found 156 perpetrators for these crimes, 134 of them males and 67 foreigners.

That means 43% of all murder perpetrators were foreigners (the foreign population in Austria was 13%).

Rape (§ 201): 688 perpetrators, of which 98% were male. 36% were foreigners.

And so on.

http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/BMI_Service/SIB_2015/Kriminalitaetsbericht_Statistik_2015.pdf

[Silent Hunter]

The problem in Europe is that we don't have multi- but duo-culturalism instead. You have the native population and a huge and surging Muslim minority.

I wouldn't say 'huge' but definitely increasing. In addition, both sets of cultures are anathema to each other.

[Beezer]

Gotta love the age old leftist "but Germans do it too" argument. Just because there are German criminals and scumbags doesn't mean we should import similar characters from the rest of the world. I'm all for immigration - according to strict rules. Immigrants should be the best and brightest and not a cross section of the society of the homeland they left behind. Moreover, as Tender has already pointed out, the actual data does show that sadly foreigners are sometimes quite heavily over-represented when it comes to crime. If you want to make the case for immigration, that's something you have to acknowledge. Trying to sweep it under the rug will only make significant parts of population less inclined to support any kind of immigration. If you on the other hand make the case that immigrants need to be vetted more carefully and that you can't just allow anyone into the country, support for (this kind of) immigration will pick back up again. But try making that argument to a "no nations, no borders" activist...

Also interesting to note that New Year's Eve in Cologne was rather uneventful. Mainly because the German police stopped large groups of North African men at the train station (the left is of course already decrying it as "racial profiling"...which I suppose it is but it does seem to work, just ask the Israelis). Makes you think that the mass rapes and sexual assaults of last year weren't really a male phenomenon but had something to do with the cultural background of certain men instead (looking at you Old Europe here). But hey, that's just my take on the whole situation. The fact that women are treated like second class citizens in the homelands of these troublemakers is probably just a coincidence. Has nothing to do with the local culture and their values. No difference whatsoever between the average European and Muslim male. Both equally in favor of women's rights, both thereby equally likely to sexually assault women. Nothing to see here...

[Tender Branson]

Gotta love the age old leftist "but Germans do it too argument". Just because there are German criminals and scumbags doesn't mean we should import similar characters from the rest of the world. I'm all for immigration - according to strict rules. Immigrants should be the best and brightest and not a cross section of the society of the homeland they left behind.

Also interesting to note that New Year's Eve in Cologne was rather uneventful. Mainly because the German police stopped large groups of North African men at the train station. Makes you think that the mass rapes and sexual assaults of last year weren't really a male phenomenon but had something to do with the cultural background of certain men instead. But hey, that's just my take on the whole situation.

Mine too.

[Tender Branson]

More "immigrant" (well, tourist) violence:

48-year old German man attacks a 40-year old woman (also German) on a ski slope, because the 40-year old's daughter crashed with her snowboard into the skiing wife of the 48-year old.

The 48-year old beat the woman with his skiis and sticks and removed her ski shoes (!) with which he beat her as well.

When the husband of the beaten wife came, he attacked the 48-year old man and beat him up injuring him heavily.

(at least you cannot say I only report crimes done by browns ... )

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