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« on: January 10, 2017, 03:14:49 pm »

Which state is the heart and soul of the Democratic/Republican Party?

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Democratic Party:

California - very coastal, urban, and diverse state embracing globalism



Republican Party:

West Virginia - landlocked, rural, and overwhelmingly working class white state suffering from globalism
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 03:17:43 pm »

I agree about California, but I think Arkansas is closer to being the heart of the Republican party, since it's not as populist as West Virginia, and has become more averse to electing Democrats at any level. It still seems to be the case that a certain kind of Democrat can compete in West Virginia.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 03:26:38 pm »

You guys are triggering RINO Tom. Wink Anyway...

Democrats - New Hampshire or California
Republicans - Tennessee or Wyoming
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 03:29:17 pm »

Dems: Maryland
Republicans: Wyoming
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 03:31:40 pm »

I agree about California, but I think Arkansas is closer to being the heart of the Republican party, since it's not as populist as West Virginia, and has become more averse to electing Democrats at any level. It still seems to be the case that a certain kind of Democrat can compete in West Virginia.

I do see what you mean, while not as white as West Virginia, Arkansas is also "landlocked, rural, and overwhelmingly working class white"
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 03:43:41 pm »

California is, without question, the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. It's one of the most diverse and increasingly diversifying states; has a large liberal, college educated White population; its economy is dominated by industries and sectors that favor higher education and globalization; and it's both socially and economically liberal.

Maryland is the runner-up as it is a highly diverse state with a large, liberal, college educated White population and dominated by globalized industries and governmental agencies. It's not as socially liberal as California, but it is highly supportive of the federal government and globalization.

Choosing a single state for Republicans is difficult. During the Bush II years I would've chosen a Southern state, such as Texas. But today, under Trump, the party is more Rust Belt oriented. I'd say Indiana is the heart and soul of the present GOP. It's a de-industrialized state that has been negatively effected by globalization; socially conservative, but not fundamentalist; highly skeptical of coastal elite and outsiders; and composed largely of white, conservative, working class types.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 03:47:05 pm »

Dems: Massachusetts
GOP: Wyoming
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2017, 03:57:29 pm »

California is, without question, the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. It's one of the most diverse and increasingly diversifying states; has a large liberal, college educated White population; its economy is dominated by industries and sectors that favor higher education and globalization; and it's both socially and economically liberal.

Maryland is the runner-up as it is a highly diverse state with a large, liberal, college educated White population and dominated by globalized industries and governmental agencies. It's not as socially liberal as California, but it is highly supportive of the federal government and globalization.

Choosing a single state for Republicans is difficult. During the Bush II years I would've chosen a Southern state, such as Texas. But today, under Trump, the party is more Rust Belt oriented. I'd say Indiana is the heart and soul of the present GOP. It's a de-industrialized state that has been negatively effected by globalization; socially conservative, but not fundamentalist; highly skeptical of coastal elite and outsiders; and composed largely of white, conservative, working class types.

Agreed about Cali and Indiana.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2017, 05:02:48 pm »

California is, without question, the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. It's one of the most diverse and increasingly diversifying states; has a large liberal, college educated White population; its economy is dominated by industries and sectors that favor higher education and globalization; and it's both socially and economically liberal.

Maryland is the runner-up as it is a highly diverse state with a large, liberal, college educated White population and dominated by globalized industries and governmental agencies. It's not as socially liberal as California, but it is highly supportive of the federal government and globalization.

Choosing a single state for Republicans is difficult. During the Bush II years I would've chosen a Southern state, such as Texas. But today, under Trump, the party is more Rust Belt oriented. I'd say Indiana is the heart and soul of the present GOP. It's a de-industrialized state that has been negatively effected by globalization; socially conservative, but not fundamentalist; highly skeptical of coastal elite and outsiders; and composed largely of white, conservative, working class types.

Agreed about Cali and Indiana.

I'd support Indiana, but not because it's SO "working class."  It's not like the college educated, wealthy professionals around Indianapolis aren't Republicans, too.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2017, 05:27:32 pm »

Y'all are forgetting that there are elements of the Republican coalition that aren't Trump or social conservatives. I have a hard time believing that John Kasich or Marco Rubio would say that West Virginia is the heart of their party.
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2017, 05:41:08 pm »

California is, without question, the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. It's one of the most diverse and increasingly diversifying states; has a large liberal, college educated White population; its economy is dominated by industries and sectors that favor higher education and globalization; and it's both socially and economically liberal.

Maryland is the runner-up as it is a highly diverse state with a large, liberal, college educated White population and dominated by globalized industries and governmental agencies. It's not as socially liberal as California, but it is highly supportive of the federal government and globalization.

Choosing a single state for Republicans is difficult. During the Bush II years I would've chosen a Southern state, such as Texas. But today, under Trump, the party is more Rust Belt oriented. I'd say Indiana is the heart and soul of the present GOP. It's a de-industrialized state that has been negatively effected by globalization; socially conservative, but not fundamentalist; highly skeptical of coastal elite and outsiders; and composed largely of white, conservative, working class types.

Agreed about Cali and Indiana.

I'd support Indiana, but not because it's SO "working class."  It's not like the college educated, wealthy professionals around Indianapolis aren't Republicans, too.

Well, of course. The WWC did shift significantly to the right for Trump in Indiana, but the upper middle class around Indianapolis (such as Hamilton County) are highly Republican as well. I should've included their conservative, upper middle class professionals as well. But all of that, when taken together, best describes the current GOP.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2017, 06:00:06 pm »

Democrats: California Republicans: Idaho
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2017, 06:20:55 pm »

If we just went by "region" for the "heart and soul" (or, if I'm reading it correctly, basic *feel* of the party and what its goals are), I think it's obvious that the Northeast still holds that place for the Democrats, and the Mountain West and Great Plains (that hilarious shape of states that go around Colorado and would likely be the last holdouts ... think the first to abandon FDR in the inland) for the GOP, as has been the case since FDR.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2017, 06:28:16 pm »

California for the Dems.

Pre-Trump nomination, it would be Texas for the GOP. Now, I believe it would be Indiana.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2017, 06:49:04 pm »

Kansas for the Republicans. The state was born in the same tumult as the GOP in the 1850s, and since then, it has been one of the most reliable Republican states. It was Alf Landon's home state, Dwight Eisenhower's home state, and "we're not in Kansas anymore" brings to mind leaving the epitome of white bread middle American farm country to any place unknown or mysterious.

New York for the Democrats. The party, the spoils system, and political machines were invented here in the early 19ty century. Outside the Confederacy, no one rioted harder against Lincoln than New Yorkers. The New Deal was invented here, and the New Deal realignment started here, too. Yes, California is diverse, but not as diverse as New York City, with its Italians and Jews and Blacks and Asians and Puerto Ricans and all else. This was always America's immigrant Mecca, it's Mos Eisley Cantina.
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2017, 08:01:01 pm »

GOP: Alabama. Just the right mix of PUMAs, Obama-->Trump voters, and Dole voters, combined with every county going for Trump in the GOP primary.

Dems: California, for obvious reasons. Massachusetts is just too White. Hawaii is too pro-Bernie.
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2017, 08:28:31 pm »

Democrats: In the past would have said New York, as that is where establishment is stronger, future is California.

Republicans: Missouri(current median of all the factions), Indiana in the future.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 08:30:43 pm »

Democrats: California.

Republicans: I'm inclined to say that given the current state of the party, it would be Indiana, maybe Ohio but it's recent electoral record isn't as Republican as its neighbor. Pre-Trump, I would choose a Southern or Plains state such as Texas/Tennessee or Kansas/Wyoming.
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2017, 08:31:43 pm »

Democrats: New York

Republicans: Oklahoma
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2017, 08:50:23 pm »

Why is everyone choosing states either with so many registered Dems (Oklahoma; GOP registration only surpassed Dem in 2014 and it did not vote for Trump in the primary), states that did not go for Trump in the primary (Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas) and states that went for WJC or Barack Obama (Indiana, Missouri, Tennessee, West Virginia, Arkansas) as the heart and soul of the GOP? The heart and soul of the GOP should be a state that did not go Dem for at least a quarter of a century, that went for Trump in the primary, that trended Republican this year, and that has a reasonable number of WJC92-Trump and HRC08-Trump voters. Alabama fits all the check boxes.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 09:30:50 pm »

Democrats: Massachusetts (easy)
Republicans: Utah....but probably more like Tennessee today
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 10:05:37 pm »

Why is everyone choosing states either with so many registered Dems (Oklahoma; GOP registration only surpassed Dem in 2014 and it did not vote for Trump in the primary), states that did not go for Trump in the primary (Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas) and states that went for WJC or Barack Obama (Indiana, Missouri, Tennessee, West Virginia, Arkansas) as the heart and soul of the GOP? The heart and soul of the GOP should be a state that did not go Dem for at least a quarter of a century, that went for Trump in the primary, that trended Republican this year, and that has a reasonable number of WJC92-Trump and HRC08-Trump voters. Alabama fits all the check boxes.

Trump isn't the entire GOP, friend.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2017, 11:24:39 am »

Why is everyone choosing states either with so many registered Dems (Oklahoma; GOP registration only surpassed Dem in 2014 and it did not vote for Trump in the primary), states that did not go for Trump in the primary (Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas) and states that went for WJC or Barack Obama (Indiana, Missouri, Tennessee, West Virginia, Arkansas) as the heart and soul of the GOP? The heart and soul of the GOP should be a state that did not go Dem for at least a quarter of a century, that went for Trump in the primary, that trended Republican this year, and that has a reasonable number of WJC92-Trump and HRC08-Trump voters. Alabama fits all the check boxes.

Trump isn't the entire GOP, friend.
For better or worse, he is now.

No, he's not.  He has an entire Congress and a plethora of GOP governors across the country to help him make up what it "means" to be a Republican.  If Trump puts forth anti-trade deals or a big infrastructure spending package, he won't be getting the votes he needs from his own party, he'll be getting crossover support.
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2017, 11:50:58 am »

California is the obvious choice for the Democrats.  For the Republicans, it is more difficult, and I want to say Tennessee, but the answer is probably Alabama.  It can't be somewhere like West Virginia or Wyoming, as they are too rural for the ideological upscale conservative suburbs to exist (as they do in Alabama in places like Hoover).  All of the GOP coalition is represented well by Alabama.  Tennessee and South Carolina (adding in rich retirees, especially in SC) would be good choices as well.
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2017, 07:27:26 pm »

Texas for the GOP.

California for the Democrats.

Most of the "ideas" that drive the respective parties have come from those states.
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