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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2017, 11:03:01 pm »

Hard to disagree with California for the Democrats, though Hawaii could be a strong contender.

For the Republicans, I have to consider several factors (well, same for Dems as well)
- Dominance in statewide elected offices and the state legislature
- Dominance in population centers across the state and in rural areas
- Control of Senate and House seats

Wyoming, Oklahoma, Utah, and Arkansas are at the top of my list.  They have no Democratic areas in the state (Tennessee has Nashville and Memphis, Missouri has St Louis and KC, West Virginia has a Democratic governor).

Of my top four, I will go with Utah as it is (I think) least likely to elect a Democrat statewide or to Congress.  Arkansas is strongly tending in this direction, but has fairly recently elected Democrats.  Wyoming, Tennessee, and Oklahoma have in the past dozen years elected Democratic governors and could do so again (though perhaps not likely).
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2017, 01:37:35 am »

Texas for the GOP.

California for the Democrats.

Most of the "ideas" that drive the respective parties have come from those states.

Texas seems like the right amount of synthesis between the southern/western bloc the GOP is dependent upon, so this sounds right.

For the historical GOP back when it was a northeastern+western party and back when the dems were the southern party, it's more like Vermont was the heart of the GOP, and Georgia was the heart of the dems.
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2017, 10:59:23 am »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

There are way too many factors in the modern day that makes Texas an outlier in today's Republican Party.   10-15 years ago it probably would've been perfect though.

I'd probably say either West Virginia or Arkansas perfectly fits the modern day Republican Party.
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2017, 11:12:52 am »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

This is really important to you, right? Roll Eyes

Not all "educated" or urban voters are Democrats. Not all diverse states are blue states. Not all states that benefit from globalization vote Democratic.

Not all rural areas with many White people are solid Republican territory (or is VT an oulier in today's Democratic Party as well?) You'll find tons of "uneducated" people in your own state who always vote straight-ticket Democrat.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2017, 06:47:25 pm »

Dems: California
GOP: Oklahoma or Arkansas
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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2017, 10:03:48 pm »

Democratic Party: California
Republican Party: Tennessee
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2017, 10:20:23 pm »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

There are way too many factors in the modern day that makes Texas an outlier in today's Republican Party.   10-15 years ago it probably would've been perfect though.

I'd probably say either West Virginia or Arkansas perfectly fits the modern day Republican Party.

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Democratic: Massachusetts
Republican: Texas
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2017, 10:40:07 pm »

Dems:  California easily
GOP:  The center of gravity of the party has moved more Northern and rural/industrial, so I think Missouri is a real good pick here.  Alabama and Oklahoma also work quite well.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2017, 11:16:18 pm »

Democrats: Massachusetts

Republicans: Kansas
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2017, 11:42:28 pm »

Can we define heart and soul?  What do we mean by this?
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2017, 01:17:40 am »

Republicans: South Carolina or Louisiana
Democrats: California
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2017, 01:34:35 pm »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

There are way too many factors in the modern day that makes Texas an outlier in today's Republican Party.   10-15 years ago it probably would've been perfect though.

I'd probably say either West Virginia or Arkansas perfectly fits the modern day Republican Party.

Jesus Christ, this is a bad post.  Yes, Texas is an educated, populated and diverse state with mostly free trade conservatives.  None of that insinuates it's anything but a red state ... which it is.
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2017, 01:47:10 pm »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

There are way too many factors in the modern day that makes Texas an outlier in today's Republican Party.   10-15 years ago it probably would've been perfect though.

I'd probably say either West Virginia or Arkansas perfectly fits the modern day Republican Party.

Jesus Christ, this is a bad post.  Yes, Texas is an educated, populated and diverse state with mostly free trade conservatives.  None of that insinuates it's anything but a red state ... which it is.

"Republicans are rural uneducated voters!" - said the Democrat from New Hampshire.
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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2017, 05:48:23 pm »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

There are way too many factors in the modern day that makes Texas an outlier in today's Republican Party.   10-15 years ago it probably would've been perfect though.

I'd probably say either West Virginia or Arkansas perfectly fits the modern day Republican Party.

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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2017, 06:06:21 am »

GOP is Tennessee (sans Memphis).

I'd say Democrats are New York. One megalopolis (establishment) controlling the whole and screwing everyone out of that bubble in the process.

Trump is Texas, full of himself (themselves)...lots of ego/self-pride. Thinks they/he do things better than anyone else. Reality is they make a lot of head-scratching decisions like ridiculous property taxes to buy huge stadiums for high school football teams or building a wall that will cost billions and be a waste of resources.
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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2017, 03:08:09 pm »

Texas most definitely does not fit the Republican Party.

It has a huge educated population, is quite urban, very diverse, and benefits greatly from globalization.

There are way too many factors in the modern day that makes Texas an outlier in today's Republican Party.   10-15 years ago it probably would've been perfect though.

I'd probably say either West Virginia or Arkansas perfectly fits the modern day Republican Party.

Jesus Christ, this is a bad post.  Yes, Texas is an educated, populated and diverse state with mostly free trade conservatives.  None of that insinuates it's anything but a red state ... which it is.

Actually it makes it almost a complete exception to the rule of states that vote Republican.



I'd say Democrats are New York. One megalopolis (establishment) controlling the whole and screwing everyone out of that bubble in the process.



On average rural/small town areas get a disproportionately large amount of state resources per capita of taxes paid compared to Urban / Big city areas.
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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2017, 08:28:32 pm »

Democrats: California
Republicans: Mississippi
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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2017, 09:09:00 pm »

Dem: California, Massachusetts, NYC
GOP: Plain States generally speaking, West Virginia for Trumpism.
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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2017, 09:38:25 pm »

Interesting question, which has become much more confused since the '16 GE results....

Republican: Indiana--- Heavily White, Large WWC population working in mfg occupations, SE Indiana with a strong does of Appalachia/Southern influence (As well as in the medium sized factory cities of the state), throw in a decent Evangelical/Catholic Republican population, and add in a mix of relatively isolationist/Non-Interventionist sentiments from the Heartlands of the MidWest.... Add a shaking to the top of the cake, and you see a decent amount of economic conservatives/social liberals in the suburbs surrounding Indie....

Democrat: This one's a bit tougher, since the Social Liberalism of the Dem Party (Excepting Guns & Abortion) is overwhelmingly mainstreaming, Anti-War sentiment is dominant since George W's failed wars overseas, economic issues are increasingly divided between the "haves and have not's" of the Modern Democratic Coalition....

Additionally, we have an increasingly multi-ethnic Democratic Party, that is more representative of the "Rainbow Coalition" that Jesse Jackson first promoted way back in '88....

If I had to hazard a guess, Michigan would likely be the top contender....

Generally Democrats are socially Liberal, Anti-War, and supportive of a relatively protectionist "Fair Trade" policy....

Although, there is not a particularly large Latino or Asian-American population, there are a large numbers of Black Voters, that like most of the Democratic Party have shifted to the Left on Social Issues, fought in wars overseas from WWII to Iraq/Afganistan, and are generally opposed to "Free Trade" as a concept, unless it is perceived as beneficial to American Workers.....

Maybe out on a limb here, but i still don't see the center of gravity of the Democratic Party moving to either the West, nor the NorthEast....
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2017, 01:08:40 am »

Actually it makes it almost a complete exception to the rule of states that vote Republican.

Reiterating your post doesn't make it any less awful. Using your logic, Vermont should be a solid Republican state because RURALS.

Generally Democrats are socially Liberal, Anti-War, and supportive of a relatively protectionist "Fair Trade" policy....

Since when are Democrats "anti-war"? The protectionist argument is also very debatable IMO.
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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2017, 07:59:44 am »

Dems: California (diverse in various ways, progressive, contains both many establishment types and lefties)
Reps: South Carolina (white, religious, it has Lindsey Graham but it's also had Jim DeMint and Strom Thurmond)
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2017, 09:12:53 am »

Democrats: California
Republicans: Mississippi


This is probably the most accurate guess.

Also as a Texan, it may seem that some aspects of Texas culture may resonate well with conservatism, it benefits heavily from free trade and its not ethnically diverse. It's on its way on becoming Florida 2.0.
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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2017, 01:42:27 pm »

Actually it makes it almost a complete exception to the rule of states that vote Republican.

Reiterating your post doesn't make it any less awful. Using your logic, Vermont should be a solid Republican state because RURALS.


...and no one in their right mind would call Vermont the "Heart and Soul" of the Democratic Party.

Just like no one should call Texas the "Heart and Soul" of the Republican Party.

It's not that complicated here.
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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2017, 01:44:21 pm »

Actually it makes it almost a complete exception to the rule of states that vote Republican.

Reiterating your post doesn't make it any less awful. Using your logic, Vermont should be a solid Republican state because RURALS.


...and no one in their right mind would call Vermont the "Heart and Soul" of the Democratic Party.

Just like no one should call Texas the "Heart and Soul" of the Republican Party.

It's not that complicated here.

Texas is socially conservative, has a very conservative suburban AND rural population, is a very religious state, has a good chunk of wealthy Whites and has a large business community.  Whether you like it or not, all of those represent a very significant faction of the GOP, pal.
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2017, 02:01:56 pm »

GOP: Tennessee

DEM: New York, but slowly shifting towards California.
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