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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2017, 02:13:06 pm »

The only semi coherent answer to this is France actually.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2017, 03:30:03 pm »

The only semi coherent answer to this is France actually.

Well, hmm, maybe, since a strong enough Presidential regime screws at least a half of a political divide...
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2017, 04:24:35 pm »

Belgium, in the sense of Walloon vs Flanders, due to geographic sorting and mutually unintelligible rhetoric.
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2017, 04:57:48 pm »

Or Turkey -
In both countries, a majority party that appeals to Social Conservatives, the religious and nationalists. Both led by a demagogue, populist leader who deeply offends liberals and who has a habit of bullying the media (on Twitter, or just by throwing them in jail).

On the flip side, an ineffective opposition party, supported by wealthy urban liberals + minority groups, whose sole selling point seems to be "social liberalism".

Bonus points for the HDP and Sanders taking a broadly similar spoiler role.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2017, 05:19:26 pm »

Maybe Italy? Or more trollishly, Ukraine?

Which is fiscally conservative and which is socially conservative?
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2017, 06:10:07 am »
« Edited: January 13, 2017, 06:13:14 am by Derpist »

Turkey.

A populist, religious conservative broad tent that has lined up pretty much completely behind a controversial strongman promising a new kind of politics, facing off against the old establishment natural party of government, which is a violent, militaristic, anti-democratic party which draws its support almost entirely from the old urban secular liberal government elite, an anti-democratic deep state, and a handful of minority groups (despite its miserable history on minority cultures).

The genuine left is in despair.

If Turkey doesn't count as European and it probably doesn't, I'd probably say Italy. Renzi was probably the best example of a neoliberal-left Obama-style politician outside of America. And if you forced the members of the 5SM, Lega Nord, and Italian right into one party through the power of Duverger's Law, someone like Trump could come out of that primary.
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2017, 07:28:56 pm »

Or Turkey -
In both countries, a majority party that appeals to Social Conservatives, the religious and nationalists. Both led by a demagogue, populist leader who deeply offends liberals and who has a habit of bullying the media (on Twitter, or just by throwing them in jail).

On the flip side, an ineffective opposition party, supported by wealthy urban liberals + minority groups, whose sole selling point seems to be "social liberalism".

Bonus points for the HDP and Sanders taking a broadly similar spoiler role.

Turkey is actually good for a political divide most similar to the US.
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2017, 01:03:37 pm »

The CHP is much less genuinely competitive than the Democrats though. And they do not so well with Kurds.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2017, 07:06:37 pm »

Being the only country in Europe to use FPTP (unless you count Azerbaijan), it has to be the United Kingdom by default.
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