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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2017, 09:16:17 pm »
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Necessary for the state to get revenue? Yes. Moral? No

It has been my belief that taxation is theft.

Taxation is sort of social contract (yes, I hate Rousseau, but couldn't think of any better word now). Taxes are necessary so the state can protect you.

I've never understood the "taxation is theft" argument. Without taxes nobody except the super rich would be able to actually afford to live. So only people who drive on the road should pay for it? Ok, well have fun with massive tolls that nobody could afford to get anywhere but you know "fake freedom!".

IIRC, are not highways already currently funded using the gas tax?

Supposed to be, but roads are hugely subsidized since it won't cover the cost. In WI it hasn't been raised in forever and there's a massive deficit for roads, they're bonding many millions each year now.
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2017, 04:07:15 pm »
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Ceteris Paribus yes, but that's not how the real world works.
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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2017, 02:39:21 am »
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It depends what you mean by "forced."  We could theoretically fund the entire government at all levels with road tolls and permit fees.  Obviously, this would still be "forced" taxation to the extent that all drivers would have to pay if they wanted to continue driving, but this tax scheme would make it at least theoretically possible to avoid being taxed directly [of course, exorbitant license/transportation fees for companies would still constitute an indirect tax as it would be ultimately passed onto the consumer].   Ultimately, someone has to pay for the government to function, though the degree of force could vary considerably. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2017, 02:53:43 pm »
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Why is the "degree of force" such a major concern anyway? Being forced to do things we'd rather not do (or prevented from doing things we'd rather do) is a fundamental aspect of life in society. It's how we learn to respect our fellow citizens and put general interest above our own. Living under the illusion that we can get all of society's benefits without paying any of the costs, and without ever doing anything we don't want to do, is not "liberating" - I'd argue it's morally and intellectually degrading.
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2017, 12:51:46 am »
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Unfortunately it is necessary as it wouldn't be possible to raise the money necessary for a civil society.  Voluntary taxation might work if you were on an island country of only 1,000 people, but not in a large advanced one.  Perhaps if you lived in the Pitcairn Islands you could rely on voluntary taxes, but not in most modern countries.
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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2017, 02:16:59 am »
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You don't have to have an income tax, you can do a national sales tax instead. But that's still forced taxation - people are more able to determine what % of their annual income is paid in taxes through buying more/less - but you're still forcing them to hand that extra $$ to the cashier when they do buy things.

The answer is No. Sorry, DW Perry.
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