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Emsworth
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« on: July 28, 2005, 09:39:28 AM »
Addition to the Bill of Rights, Article VI

17.  No individual shall ever be imprisoned for debt, taxes, alimony, or "child support," "child support" being defined commonly as the giving of money to one's ex-mate.
Sponsor: Sen. Sam Spade

Note: The numbering of this clause (17) is tentative; it may change depending on the passage of the other proposed amendment to the Bill of Rights.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2005, 10:15:08 AM »
Right now I'm against this. I need Sam to tell me what happens if this passes and people stop paying they're taxes or child support because they wouldn't go to jail?
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2005, 10:41:21 AM »
I would have to oppose this proposal. Why (for example) should tax evasion not be punishable by imprisonment?

(Just to note, this is Bono's proposal, not one written directly by Sam, as far as I'm aware.)
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2005, 10:50:31 AM »
Quote from: Emsworth on July 28, 2005, 10:41:21 AM
(Just to note, this is Bono's proposal, not one written directly by Sam, as far as I'm aware.)

Ok, then instead of Sam answering the questions we need to get the Governor in here.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2005, 02:01:28 PM »
For those that believe this would cause chaos, in Canada you can't be arrested for not paying taxes. However, the government can, and does take... other steps.

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2005, 12:11:56 AM »
Bumping for Bono.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2005, 04:20:42 AM »
Sorry, I was sleeping.

Imprisonment for tax evasion is really silly. You punish people who don't pay taxes by having them live of taxpayers?
It is much more effective to sieze their assets, and punishment enough, especially given that our jails are allready filled with victimless criminals.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2005, 04:27:12 AM »
Quote from: Governor Bono on July 30, 2005, 04:20:42 AM
Imprisonment for tax evasion is really silly. You punish people who don't pay taxes by having them live of taxpayers?
I concur.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2005, 04:31:28 AM »
Quote from: Governor Bono on July 30, 2005, 04:20:42 AM
Sorry, I was sleeping.

Imprisonment for tax evasion is really silly. You punish people who don't pay taxes by having them live of taxpayers?
It is much more effective to sieze their assets, and punishment enough, especially given that our jails are allready filled with victimless criminals.

Come to think of it, that's actually a pretty good point.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2005, 07:06:41 AM »
Quote from: Senator Gabu, PPT on July 30, 2005, 04:31:28 AM
Quote from: Governor Bono on July 30, 2005, 04:20:42 AM
Sorry, I was sleeping.

Imprisonment for tax evasion is really silly. You punish people who don't pay taxes by having them live of taxpayers?
It is much more effective to sieze their assets, and punishment enough, especially given that our jails are allready filled with victimless criminals.

Come to think of it, that's actually a pretty good point.
No, I wouldn't agree. Deprivation of liberty does more to punish individuals than mere seizure of assets--the latter is not as effective a deterrent. Lest we forget, Al Capone was imprisoned only for tax evasion. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2005, 09:41:18 AM »
The question is on final passage of the Amendment. All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2005, 10:11:59 AM »
Nay
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2005, 06:26:33 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2005, 06:28:05 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2005, 06:39:21 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2005, 06:46:15 PM »
The amendment has enough votes to fail. Senators have twenty-four hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2005, 09:01:20 PM »
I really would have liked to see more debate on this, but given that none arose... abstain.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2005, 09:29:56 PM »
Abstain.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2005, 03:37:56 AM »
Next time I'll weight more the vice presidential candidate, since apparently they will just rush to vote things they don't like.

And the left once again shows that they don't care about civil liberties.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2005, 04:17:40 AM »
Quote from: Governor Bono on August 01, 2005, 03:37:56 AM
Next time I'll weight more the vice presidential candidate, since apparently they will just rush to vote things they don't like.

And the left once again shows that they don't care about civil liberties.

Yeah, DanielX and MasterJedi are quite the liberal extremists while I, one of the most leftist in the Senate, considered the bill.
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2005, 04:28:57 AM »
Quote from: Senator Gabu, PPT on August 01, 2005, 04:17:40 AM
Quote from: Governor Bono on August 01, 2005, 03:37:56 AM
Next time I'll weight more the vice presidential candidate, since apparently they will just rush to vote things they don't like.

And the left once again shows that they don't care about civil liberties.

Yeah, DanielX and MasterJedi are quite the liberal extremists while I, one of the most leftist in the Senate, considered the bill.

the people I'm talking about know who they are. If the shoe doesn't fit you...
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2005, 08:03:56 AM »
« Edited: August 01, 2005, 08:41:53 AM by Emsworth »
Quote from: Governor Bono on August 01, 2005, 03:37:56 AM
Next time I'll weight more the vice presidential candidate, since apparently they will just rush to vote things they don't like.
Rush to vote? I brought it to a vote at the time required by the rules, no sooner. Your accusations are baseless.
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2005, 09:42:52 AM »
Nay
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2005, 07:06:35 PM »
There have voted:
Aye: 0
No: 5

Therefore, the Amendment fails.
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