New data suggests Hillary won white male/female millennials.

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Noooo. Politics in the long term does matter! The electorate isn't totally static and does fluctuate as major events occur spontaneously or over time, but there are structural changes that tend to benefit one party over the other long-term and it is in the each party's interests to try and shape the future for themselves. One big problem the GOP has had is its obsession with trading long-term viability for short-term wins. It's the political equivalent of pawning all your stuff for some quick cash. Sure, you have money now, but eventually that will run out and you are left in dire straights. The GOP could have built a sunny future for itself had it worked harder to appeal to young voters and prove to them that the stereotypes are wrong, but it seems like every day, the actions of party members only serve to reinforce its poisoned image.

You can say what you will about GOP power right now; they are undoubtedly the nation's current majority party in terms of raw political power, but looking back at history, Democrats in 1992 looked quite dominant themselves, only to see their party implode and lose power at the federal and state level for decades. The fact is, long-term changes to electorate matter and winning a bunch of elections under favorable conditions can trick a party into thinking that everything is rosy when in reality it is rotting from the inside.

I'm quite worried about Generation Z though. It's sort of like how after the staunchly Democratic greatest generation came the Republican  silent generation. Millennials will be strongly Democratic but these gen z kids are something else let me tell ya.

Too much /pol/ and The_Donald for these youngins. I don't know if culture works in 5-10 year spans but when these kids took over the internet it went from being liberal/libertarian to conservative/nazism seemingly overnight.

The Silent Generation was never really that Republican until Obama became President.

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I dunno, maybe. Personally I'm not going to even begin drawing conclusions on this (save for a default opinion, which is an iffy extension of Millennials given basic demographics) until we get some actual voting data for them in 2018 and/or 2020. Even if they are somewhat more conservative now, it doesn't mean they will stay that way. The 18 - 25 age group is a time of partisan malleability and these people could end up changing their minds on various issues/politicians. Or, the polls end up being wrong. Given how diverse Z will be, it's hard for me to take seriously any idea that it will be a Republican-heavy generation given that the GOP has not only made no efforts to reach out but at times seem to be actively working to repel such voters.

Just going to have to wait and see.

Yeah Generation Z is gonna be more Hispanic than Generation Y but its not gonna be more Asian or any more Black than Generation Y was.

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It amusing how Millennials are already hating the next generation, just like every generation before them.

When the next generation are literally Nazis it doesn't seem too strange to me.

The previous generation always says the next(existing current generation) is so bad when compared to them.

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It amusing how Millennials are already hating the next generation, just like every generation before them.

Older generations call us entitled then turn a blind eye to their Nazi grandchildren because they support Trump.

Looks like Gen Z will carry their grandparents boomer/silent torch of racism and xenophobia. Hope they're happy about the little demons they've created.

I realize this is nitpicking and hardly the most ridiculous part of your post, but aren't the baby boomers on the whole more liberal than the Silent Generation or Gen X?

Baby Boomers who were age 18 when Nixon was President yes are more likely to be Dem than say Boomers who turned 18 when Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson who are more likely to be Republican. So it depends what Boomers what Boomers you are talking about.

Xers who were turned 18 when Clinton was President are more likely to be Dem than people who turned 18 when Reagan/Bush HW were President were more likely to be Republican.

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I don't know the demographic breakdown of Minnesota, but is a 5% margin among whites even enough for Republicans to carry the state?  I'd assume not.  Republicans need to start getting solid margins among younger white voters.  Whites in their 30's are also a fairly liberal group by today's standards.  These voters are now going to be entering the over 40 bracket...  Republicans can't break even among whites under 45 and lose minorities by massive margins and be viable going forward... there are not enough old whites to make this work.

-A 5% margin among Whites in MN (what Trump actually got) is not enough for Republicans to carry the state. But a 7% margin is.

Concentrating on age demos to predict the future is as nutty as concentrating on past state PVIs to do the same.

uh no, because people don't just magically become more conservative as they age, despite the common myth.  The very oldest millenials/gen X'ers started voting Democrat in reaction to George Bush and have stayed loyal to the Democratic party nearly 20 years later.

-Likewise, Vermont became a strongly Democratic state in reaction to GWB. What else is new?

Again, concentrating on age demos to predict the future is as nutty as concentrating on past state PVIs to do the same.

No, VT was trending D during the 80's.

[hopper]

I don't know the demographic breakdown of Minnesota, but is a 5% margin among whites even enough for Republicans to carry the state?  I'd assume not.  Republicans need to start getting solid margins among younger white voters.  Whites in their 30's are also a fairly liberal group by today's standards.  These voters are now going to be entering the over 40 bracket...  Republicans can't break even among whites under 45 and lose minorities by massive margins and be viable going forward... there are not enough old whites to make this work.

-A 5% margin among Whites in MN (what Trump actually got) is not enough for Republicans to carry the state. But a 7% margin is.

Concentrating on age demos to predict the future is as nutty as concentrating on past state PVIs to do the same.

uh no, because people don't just magically become more conservative as they age, despite the common myth.  The very oldest millenials/gen X'ers started voting Democrat in reaction to George Bush and have stayed loyal to the Democratic party nearly 20 years later.

Most of those Xers probably turned 18 during Clinton's Presidency anyway.

[hopper]

Noooo. Politics in the long term does matter! The electorate isn't totally static and does fluctuate as major events occur spontaneously or over time, but there are structural changes that tend to benefit one party over the other long-term and it is in the each party's interests to try and shape the future for themselves. One big problem the GOP has had is its obsession with trading long-term viability for short-term wins. It's the political equivalent of pawning all your stuff for some quick cash. Sure, you have money now, but eventually that will run out and you are left in dire straights. The GOP could have built a sunny future for itself had it worked harder to appeal to young voters and prove to them that the stereotypes are wrong, but it seems like every day, the actions of party members only serve to reinforce its poisoned image.

You can say what you will about GOP power right now; they are undoubtedly the nation's current majority party in terms of raw political power, but looking back at history, Democrats in 1992 looked quite dominant themselves, only to see their party implode and lose power at the federal and state level for decades. The fact is, long-term changes to electorate matter and winning a bunch of elections under favorable conditions can trick a party into thinking that everything is rosy when in reality it is rotting from the inside.

I'm quite worried about Generation Z though. It's sort of like how after the staunchly Democratic greatest generation came the Republican  silent generation. Millennials will be strongly Democratic but these gen z kids are something else let me tell ya.

Too much /pol/ and The_Donald for these youngins. I don't know if culture works in 5-10 year spans but when these kids took over the internet it went from being liberal/libertarian to conservative/nazism seemingly overnight.

The Silent Generation was never really that Republican until Obama became President.

Looking at the past data, you're right.

I guess the first black president was enough to push them into the Republican column.

I don't think the fact that he was Black alone though made them an R Group. Just 11% of Silents shortly after the 2008 Election said that Obama made them feel angry. In November 2011 that number went by 4 times up to 40%.

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Was there any follow up data explaining why there was a sudden jump of nearly 4 fold?

No none that I could I find. Silents were the only Generation that McCain won by 8%(53-45%) back in 2008 although Obama only won Boomers by 1% (50-49%) from the link that you provided.