Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[OneJ]

The useless GOP at it again:

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They're so thirsty for political gain and to discredit the Obama that it's not even funny anymore.

[GlobeSoc]

The useless GOP at it again:

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They're so thirsty for political gain and to discredit the Obama that it's not even funny anymore.

the gop has a concussion, apparently...

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

The useless GOP at it again:

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Moving forward on Graham's plan is impossible without McConnell gutting the legislative filibuster, which he won't. Skinny repeal was their last chance this fiscal year. You can only use the reconciliation process in a certain subject/policy area once a year. So unless they decide to revisit their unpopular health care reform literally in the weeks leading up to their midterms with an already unpopular incumbent president, Graham-Cassidy-Heller is dead in the water.

[The Mikado]

The useless GOP at it again:

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Moving forward on Graham's plan is impossible without McConnell gutting the legislative filibuster, which he won't. Skinny repeal was their last chance this fiscal year. You can only use the reconciliation process in a certain subject/policy area once a year. So unless they decide to revisit their unpopular health care reform literally in the weeks leading up to their midterms with an already unpopular incumbent president, Graham-Cassidy-Heller is dead in the water.

Probably not actually true. No reconciliation bill has passed, since this bill failed. A different reconciliation could therefore pass for FY 2017. (Assuming we aren't past Sept 30th)

At least, that seems to be what people seem to be saying. No one really understands reconciliation.

[Tartarus Sauce]

The useless GOP at it again:

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Moving forward on Graham's plan is impossible without McConnell gutting the legislative filibuster, which he won't. Skinny repeal was their last chance this fiscal year. You can only use the reconciliation process in a certain subject/policy area once a year. So unless they decide to revisit their unpopular health care reform literally in the weeks leading up to their midterms with an already unpopular incumbent president, Graham-Cassidy-Heller is dead in the water.

Probably not actually true. No reconciliation bill has passed, since this bill failed. A different reconciliation could therefore pass for FY 2017. (Assuming we aren't past Sept 30th)

At least, that seems to be what people seem to be saying. No one really understands reconciliation.

McCain will vote down any process that requires reconciliation at this point so they can't viably pass a bill through using it anymore. They don't seem to have gotten that message yet.

[The Mikado]

The useless GOP at it again:

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Moving forward on Graham's plan is impossible without McConnell gutting the legislative filibuster, which he won't. Skinny repeal was their last chance this fiscal year. You can only use the reconciliation process in a certain subject/policy area once a year. So unless they decide to revisit their unpopular health care reform literally in the weeks leading up to their midterms with an already unpopular incumbent president, Graham-Cassidy-Heller is dead in the water.

Probably not actually true. No reconciliation bill has passed, since this bill failed. A different reconciliation could therefore pass for FY 2017. (Assuming we aren't past Sept 30th)

At least, that seems to be what people seem to be saying. No one really understands reconciliation.

McCain will vote down any process that requires reconciliation at this point so they can't viably pass a bill through using it anymore. They don't seem to have gotten that message yet.

If the GOP tried Cassidy-Collins, they might get, um, Collins back on board. Possibly Murkowski as well. They'd lose Rand Paul and possibly Lee or Portman, though.

[Person Man]

The useless GOP at it again:

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Moving forward on Graham's plan is impossible without McConnell gutting the legislative filibuster, which he won't. Skinny repeal was their last chance this fiscal year. You can only use the reconciliation process in a certain subject/policy area once a year. So unless they decide to revisit their unpopular health care reform literally in the weeks leading up to their midterms with an already unpopular incumbent president, Graham-Cassidy-Heller is dead in the water.

Probably not actually true. No reconciliation bill has passed, since this bill failed. A different reconciliation could therefore pass for FY 2017. (Assuming we aren't past Sept 30th)

At least, that seems to be what people seem to be saying. No one really understands reconciliation.

McCain will vote down any process that requires reconciliation at this point so they can't viably pass a bill through using it anymore. They don't seem to have gotten that message yet.

If the GOP tried Cassidy-Collins, they might get, um, Collins back on board. Possibly Murkowski as well. They'd lose Rand Paul and possibly Lee or Portman, though.

And the HFC?

[Santander]

If the GOP tried Cassidy-Collins, they might get, um, Collins back on board. Possibly Murkowski as well. They'd lose Rand Paul and possibly Lee or Portman, though.

Schumer said Democrats were willing to debate Cassidy-Collins in his speech after skinny repeal failed. I'm not sure how sincere of an offer that is, but the idea is not totally off the table.

[Mike Thick]

I'm too lazy to copy it in here, but Trump just tweeted out that Congress should not vote on any other bill until repeal is given another vote.

[Virginiá]

I'm too lazy to copy it in here, but Trump just tweeted out that Congress should not vote on any other bill until repeal is given another vote.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891397134662193152

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What is this, 3rd grade? Only chickens back down from ObamaCare repeal!

[Person Man]

Trump is trying to act like Andrew Jackson without the fact Jackson won an 11%+ popular vote three times, had a shifting electorate that turned towards him and the new frontiers people, and was in the heyday of Jefferson-Jacksonian ideology.

Basically, this will not end well for him. 

It is even going as well as it did in your TL?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The useless GOP at it again:

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They're so thirsty for political gain and to discredit the Obama that it's not even funny anymore.

Oh, it is funny, in a pretty dark way. If McConnell is stupid enough to gut the filibuster on Trump's orders he ties the GOP to Trump even more strongly, angers a few of his own party who aren't stupid, and gives the Dems a blank check for the future.

And if they spike Obamacare out of spite, they'll own the resulting failure.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I'm too lazy to copy it in here, but Trump just tweeted out that Congress should not vote on any other bill until repeal is given another vote.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891397134662193152

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What is this, 3rd grade? Only chickens back down from ObamaCare repeal!

This is where Trump is heading, if he's not already there:

[NewYorkExpress]

http://in.reuters.com/article/usa-healthcare-trump-idINKBN1AF01N

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So, now Trump is threatening Congresspeople...did he even read the book he wrote?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Why does Trump want to die on this hill when it's been reported he's mad at Ryam and Mitch for saddling him with this issue?

[7,052,770]

Serious question: Does Trump honestly unable to grasp that CSR payments are not a "bailout" (and in fact not even close to that), or does he realize but think that his supporters are too ignorant to grasp that fact?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

http://in.reuters.com/article/usa-healthcare-trump-idINKBN1AF01N

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So, now Trump is threatening Congresspeople...did he even read the book he wrote?

No. The book was ghostwritten, and Trump doesn't read books.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Trump now seems to be switching back and forth between "let Obamacare implode and then make a deal, like I have argued since the beginning" (the latter of which is a lie) and "abolish the filibuster and hold another vote on repeal and replace now".

So, he doesn't really have a strategy then, huh?

[The Other Castro]

How does he not know that the process they've been using so far only requires a simple majority?

[Koharu]

So, he doesn't really have a strategy then, huh?

Anyone who thought he had a strategy in the first place was vastly overestimating him.

He stumbled into most of his victories. Some of them were helped along by others who did know what they were doing, but Trump has no over-arching strategy. He has goals, which are to be important/powerful and to make money. But strategy and forethought? Nope. Never has and never will.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So, he doesn't really have a strategy then, huh?

Anyone who thought he had a strategy in the first place was vastly overestimating him.

He stumbled into most of his victories. Some of them were helped along by others who did know what they were doing, but Trump has no over-arching strategy. He has goals, which are to be important/powerful and to make money. But strategy and forethought? Nope. Never has and never will.

I don't know which is worse. That you're right (which you are) about the President of the US being clueless and a little lucky, or the people who still think he's got some sort of strategic vision beyond, as you said, greed and lust for power.

[Badger]

Oh, I know it's unlikely, but it's quite realistic. I'm not convinced Tammy Baldwin or Bill Nelson are safe, either. The Democrats are just so out of touch.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Badger]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

Cool story, bro.

While it's still likely the GOP gains seats in 2018 because the Dems performed way above expectations in 2012, there's no way they gain five seats with Trump as President. Heck, it's remotely possible that Dems retake the Senate in 2018 (Nevada, Arizona, and Arizona special) but even that would require Trump deliberately sabotaging the ACA by screwing the marketplace insurers out of funds should get under current law.

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53- MT
54- ND
55- MO
56- IN
57- OH
58- WV
59- MI

It's very possible. None of those seats are safe D. And this is assuming Menendez doesn't go down in a corruption scandal.

Don't be dumb. You know that it would take a Republican wave for Democrats to lose all those seats, let alone more than like 3 or 4.

Democrats will lose all of them plus PA, filibuster-proof majority.

LoL

[Dr. Arch]

gop should really expel mccain. anyway after next year senate elections republicans will have at least 57 seats, so trumpcare will easily pass.

Cool story, bro.

While it's still likely the GOP gains seats in 2018 because the Dems performed way above expectations in 2012, there's no way they gain five seats with Trump as President. Heck, it's remotely possible that Dems retake the Senate in 2018 (Nevada, Arizona, and Arizona special) but even that would require Trump deliberately sabotaging the ACA by screwing the marketplace insurers out of funds should get under current law.

52-
53- MT
54- ND
55- MO
56- IN
57- OH
58- WV
59- MI

It's very possible. None of those seats are safe D. And this is assuming Menendez doesn't go down in a corruption scandal.

Don't be dumb. You know that it would take a Republican wave for Democrats to lose all those seats, let alone more than like 3 or 4.

Democrats will lose all of them plus PA, filibuster-proof majority.

LoL

[Badger]

Serious question: Does Trump honestly unable to grasp that CSR payments are not a "bailout" (and in fact not even close to that), or does he realize but think that his supporters are too ignorant to grasp that fact?

Yes, but the answer to the second question is also yes even if Trump doesn't understand it.