Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Dr. Arch]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/352503-senate-wont-vote-on-obamacare-repeal-bill

No vote in the Senate per the Hill.

I'll hold my breath until the end of the week.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

CNN has some anoymous sources telling them no vote this week:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/health-care-republican-senate-vote/index.html

[The Other Castro]

And so it died, not with a bang but with a whimper.

[Don Vito Corleone]

And so it died, not with a bang but with a whimper.

I honestly would have preferred it if it went to a floor vote and was defeated like the Skinny Repeal.

[ProudModerate2]

The GOP fails again.
Don't you guys just love all the winning ? (You are suppose to be tired of all the winning by now.)

[senyor_brownbear]

I'm a little confused on reconciliation.  Assuming Republicans use year 2018 to pass tax reform with no healthcare stuff, in order to bypass the Dem filibuster, then they say they could use year 2019 for Trumpcare sometime before/after the election.  Are they allowed to do that?  I would have figured the year 2019 reconciliation couldn't be used until the next Congress begins?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I'm a little confused on reconciliation.  Assuming Republicans use year 2018 to pass tax reform with no healthcare stuff, in order to bypass the Dem filibuster, then they say they could use year 2019 for Trumpcare sometime before/after the election.  Are they allowed to do that?  I would have figured the year 2019 reconciliation couldn't be used until the next Congress begins?

Reconcillation is done by the FISCAL year, not the Calendar year. The fiscal year runs from October 1-September 30. So 2019 Reconciliation could happen as soon as October 1, 2018 (assuming a budget for 2019 is passed by September 30, 2018 with a section stating an intent to use reconciliation for health care) - a month before the election.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I'm a little confused on reconciliation.  Assuming Republicans use year 2018 to pass tax reform with no healthcare stuff, in order to bypass the Dem filibuster, then they say they could use year 2019 for Trumpcare sometime before/after the election.  Are they allowed to do that?  I would have figured the year 2019 reconciliation couldn't be used until the next Congress begins?

Reconcillation is done by the FISCAL year, not the Calendar year. The fiscal year runs from October 1-September 30. So 2019 Reconciliation could happen as soon as October 1, 2018 (assuming a budget for 2019 is passed by September 30, 2018 with a section stating an intent to use reconciliation for health care) - a month before the election.

But the catch is do reps want an unpopular healthcare repeal front and center for 2018

[Tintrlvr]

I'm a little confused on reconciliation.  Assuming Republicans use year 2018 to pass tax reform with no healthcare stuff, in order to bypass the Dem filibuster, then they say they could use year 2019 for Trumpcare sometime before/after the election.  Are they allowed to do that?  I would have figured the year 2019 reconciliation couldn't be used until the next Congress begins?

Reconcillation is done by the FISCAL year, not the Calendar year. The fiscal year runs from October 1-September 30. So 2019 Reconciliation could happen as soon as October 1, 2018 (assuming a budget for 2019 is passed by September 30, 2018 with a section stating an intent to use reconciliation for health care) - a month before the election.

Zero chance they start debating a healthcare bill a month before the election (especially since it would be well after the primaries, the only time when passing a healthcare bill at all resembling any of their proposals might be beneficial to Republican incumbents). *Maybe* after the election, in the lame duck Congress, but even that seems unlikely.

[HisGrace]

The GOP fails again.
Don't you guys just love all the winning ? (You are suppose to be tired of all the winning by now.)

[The Other Castro]

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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/352727-murkowski-obamacare-bill-needs-to-be-bipartisan

[The Other Castro]

Well, this is new. Trump makes up a story about Cochran being hospitalized as the reason why they didn't have the votes to pass Graham-Cassidy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/28/trumps-own-personal-fantasy-land-reaches-a-new-level-of-ridiculousness/?utm_term=.2ee778170658

[GeorgiaModerate]

Well, this is new. Trump makes up a story about Cochran being hospitalized as the reason why they didn't have the votes to pass Graham-Cassidy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/28/trumps-own-personal-fantasy-land-reaches-a-new-level-of-ridiculousness/?utm_term=.2ee778170658

Does he really believe this, or is he just flat-out lying (on an easily checkable point)?  Both are bad, but for different reasons.

[Gass3268]

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Looks like we might get a bipartisan deal in the Senate. No idea if Ryan could do one in the House without losing his job.

[Anna Komnene]

And so it died, not with a bang but with a whimper.

I honestly would have preferred it if it went to a floor vote and was defeated like the Skinny Repeal.

I'll take a hard pass on that. I've got enough stress in my life.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

What would happen if the Republicans had a miracle and passed the healthcare bill, but at 12:05 am east coast time on October the 1st? Could they say it's still September 30th 11:05 pm in central time or only 9:05 pm on the west coast?

[GeorgiaModerate]

What would happen if the Republicans had a miracle and passed the healthcare bill, but at 12:05 am east coast time on October the 1st? Could they say it's still September 30th 11:05 pm in central time or only 9:05 pm on the west coast?

Washington DC was in the Eastern Time Zone the last I checked.

If they wanted to play that kind of game, there's always American Samoa (11 hours behind GMT).

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

At this point, the only way there could be a vote before the reconciliation deadline is if a Senator opposed were to die and a Republican governor hastily appointed a replacement.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

As today is the reconciliation deadline and the Senate isn't even in session, I request that this thread be locked and unstickied. TrumpCare is dead.

[Mr. Morden]

As today is the reconciliation deadline and the Senate isn't even in session, I request that this thread be locked and unstickied. TrumpCare is dead.

It should be unstickied, but locking doesn't seem necessary (unless it miraculously grows to 2000 replies).  If someone wants to add a few more things on this topic, this thread is as good a place as any.

[Alabama_Indy10]

As today is the reconciliation deadline and the Senate isn't even in session, I request that this thread be locked and unstickied. TrumpCare is dead.

It should be unstickied, but locking doesn't seem necessary (unless it miraculously grows to 2000 replies).  If someone wants to add a few more things on this topic, this thread is as good a place as any.

[The Other Castro]

As today is the reconciliation deadline and the Senate isn't even in session, I request that this thread be locked and unstickied. TrumpCare is dead.

It should be unstickied, but locking doesn't seem necessary (unless it miraculously grows to 2000 replies).  If someone wants to add a few more things on this topic, this thread is as good a place as any.

Trumpcare will never be truly dead until Trump is out of office or Democrats take at least one chamber. This thread could use some revisiting in a year or so (depending on what Republicans do regarding reconciliation).

[7,052,770]

As today is the reconciliation deadline and the Senate isn't even in session, I request that this thread be locked and unstickied. TrumpCare is dead.

Until Trump gives up, this is still a major topic that needs to be open and stickied.

[Kingpoleon]

I wish she, Murkowski, and McCain would write a bill. If they’re gonna shoot it down, I would like to see their (most likely better) alternative, all three of them.

They'd probably support the Alexander-Murray bipartisan bill.

Cassidy-Collins, Alexander-Murray, Wyden-Bennett... There are plenty of solid replacements, including the proposals of Kasich and Hickenlooper. I think the Democrats they can get over will be Wyden, Murray, Cantwell, and probably the Romney state Democrats. That's eight votes right there, which would allow them to sacrifice the votes of Cotton, Lee, Moore/Strange, Cornyn, Paul, and Cruz. Tillis and Hatch  are the ones I'm not sure would support it. I have no idea about the Plain Six Senators - Fischer, Sasse, Moran, Roberts, Inhofe, and Lankford. However, I think that with McConnell pulling for it, those last eight would support it.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If there's one thing the GOP won't let happen, it'll be letting a bipartisan ObamaCare bill take the 2018 reconciliation slot instead of Tax Reform. Reconciliation can only be used once per fiscal year. If any sort of bipartisan ObamaCare bill is to pass, it will do so through the standard legislative process: i.e. 60 votes plus.