Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[GeorgiaModerate]

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My god he is in idiot.

Why the hell would you say this? You just tied yourself to all the negative fallouts from healthcare.

He has Obamaphobia.

[Yank2133]

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My god he is in idiot.

Why the hell would you say this? You just tied yourself to all the negative fallouts from healthcare.

He has Obamaphobia.

Nah, he is just an idiot.

A lot of R's hate Obama and the ACA. But no one besides him is stupid enough to say something like this.

[Illiniwek]

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My god he is in idiot.

Why the hell would you say this? You just tied yourself to all the negative fallouts from healthcare.

He has Obamaphobia.

Nah, he is just an idiot.

A lot of R's hate Obama and the ACA. But no one besides him is stupid enough to say something like this.

Dummy-in-Chief

[Yank2133]

Alexander and Murray have reached a short-term agreement on stabilizing the ACA markets. Now we will know for sure how serious the GOP really are about this (hint. they aren't.)

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/920348069132165120

[GeorgiaModerate]

Alexander and Murray have reached a short-term agreement on stabilizing the ACA markets. Now we will know for sure how serious the GOP really are about this (hint. they aren't.)

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/920348069132165120

Trump seems favorable to it:

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[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

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My god he is in idiot.

Why the hell would you say this? You just tied yourself to all the negative fallouts from healthcare.

He has Obamaphobia.

The more I see of Dumb Leader the more I think the claim that his entire campaign and Presidency is about getting back at Obama for roasting him at the White House correspondents dinner is true.

[Yank2133]

Alexander and Murray have reached a short-term agreement on stabilizing the ACA markets. Now we will know for sure how serious the GOP really are about this (hint. they aren't.)

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/920348069132165120

Trump seems favorable to it:

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He is such a bullsh**tter.

Just early he was saying how much he hated CSRs.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I will postpone judgment on this until I see the actual bill.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Ed Markey, one of the most liberal members of the Senate, more or less gave his blessing to the deal just now on CNN.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I will postpone judgment on this until I see the actual bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXvOGR027GY

[Gass3268]

McCain backs the bill

[7,052,770]

If it repeals the individual mandate, allows any kind of special pools for low risk people only or reestablished health status rating, allows EHBs to be waived, resstablishes gender rating, or lowers subsidies for any American, it's a bad bill and total non-starter.

If it doesn't so any of those things, maybe it could be acceptable.

[Frodo]

Alexander and Murray have reached a short-term agreement on stabilizing the ACA markets. Now we will know for sure how serious the GOP really are about this (hint. they aren't.)

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/920348069132165120

Now we do:

Another last-ditch effort to tackle Obamacare stalls within hours of its release

[Yank2133]

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/920456140009467904

lol

Trump has changed his mind on this like three times today.

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I would have thought they'd give up with this current Senate composition. Of course if McCain dies or Christie gets to appoint a replacement for Menendez, or after their likely gains in next year's elections, then they'd try again.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

^ Trump's point of view has always been that if you allow ObamaCare to collapse, you create a crisis so bad that it eventually forces even the democrats to accept repeal. For him to accept the Murray compromise would actually be a notable flip. Also, while senate republican leadership has given up on repeal, it's not as if that's going to make house and senate conservatives suddenly stop hating ObamaCare.

[Gass3268]

Alexander/Murray is building momentum in the Senate

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[Sir Mohamed]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920645935981613057

TRUMP does not like plan. Sad!

[Yank2133]

There is no point negotiating with Trump.

[Shadows]

Alexander presented an outline of the plan to GOP senators at a closed-door lunch on Tuesday. It would also allow consumers over age 30 to buy catastrophic health insurance plans — dubbed “copper” plans — as well as $106 million in funding to support Obamacare enrollment, according to Senate aides familiar with the plan. The new funding would be collected from existing insurance user fees and be used to provide states grants to help people enroll in catastrophic plans. The deal would make it a little easier for states to get Obamacare waivers, called 1332s. Instead of only being allowed to approve insurance plans that are “as affordable as” existing Obamacare coverage, they could approve plans with “comparable” affordability. The agreement would also make procedural changes to the way states apply for the waivers in an attempt to speed up the approval process. At a Democratic lunch meeting, Murray described the agreement as a deal "in principle" and Democrats seemed "receptive" to the broad contours of what Murray and Alexander had reached, according to Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut. "The devil is certainly in the details when you start talking about flexibility and copper plans," Murphy said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/17/alexander-and-murray-say-theyve-struck-bipartisan-obamacare-deal-243872

“That's a very good solution,” Trump said. “We think it's going to not only save money, but give people much better healthcare with a very, very much smaller premium spike.” Later, in a speech Tuesday evening to the Heritage Foundation, Trump took credit for the negotiations, saying that Democrats had “responded to [his] call for them to take responsibility for their Obamacare disaster and work with Republicans to provide much-needed relief for the American people.” “I commend the bipartisan work done by Sens. Alexander and Murray,” he said, but he added: “I continue to believe Congress must find a solution to the Obamacare mess instead of providing bailouts to insurance companies.”

In addition to the market stabilization steps — which Democrats have been urging for months — the Alexander-Murray deal would make it easier for states to get out of some of the federal insurance rules set up by the 2010 law. “It does not change the essential health benefits. It does not change the requirement for preexisting conditions,” Alexander said Thursday. “But it does give states significant new flexibility in terms of offering policies." States could, for example, expand eligibility for catastrophic health plans that have very high deductibles and lower premiums. Currently, such plans are limited to people under 30. The Alexander-Murray deal would also make it easier for states to get approval from the federal government to experiment with new healthcare programs, a process that currently can take years.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-bipartisan-deal-20171017-story.html

This is a terrible deal if they are going to waive key ACA provisions, allow states to do as they please & introduce these junk plans !

[7,052,770]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920645935981613057

TRUMP does not like plan. Sad!

Sadly, I think Trump is too lazy to grasp the fact that "you have to give poor people lower deductibles for the same premium, but we'll reimburse you for the lost revenue" is not a bailout. It's very sad and frustrating to have a president who can't be bothered to learn basic facts about the laws he wants to change.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Alexander talking about his and Murray's deal on the Senate floor right now. Says he has 22 cosponsors, 11 from each party.

[The Mikado]

Does Ryan even let this have a vote in the House? Even if this thing passes the Senate, I think it's dead in the water on the other side of the Capitol.

[The Other Castro]

Alexander talking about his and Murray's deal on the Senate floor right now. Says he has 22 cosponsors, 11 from each party.

Republicans include Alexander, Rounds, Graham, McCain, Cassidy, Collins, Ernst, Murkowski, Burr, Corker, Isakson, and Grassley.

[Gass3268]

Alexander talking about his and Murray's deal on the Senate floor right now. Says he has 22 cosponsors, 11 from each party.

Republicans include Alexander, Rounds, Graham, McCain, Cassidy, Collins, Ernst, Murkowski, Burr, Corker, Isakson, and Grassley.

So it's past 60 votes, getting pretty close to 67 too.