Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Sestak]

Alexander talking about his and Murray's deal on the Senate floor right now. Says he has 22 cosponsors, 11 from each party.

Republicans include Alexander, Rounds, Graham, McCain, Cassidy, Collins, Ernst, Murkowski, Burr, Corker, Isakson, and Grassley.

So it's past 60 votes, getting pretty close to 67 too.

That's assuming that all Dems vote for it. Under any reasonable circumstances, they should, but worth noting that almost all the Democratic cosponsors are moderate/establishment.

[Yank2133]

Alexander talking about his and Murray's deal on the Senate floor right now. Says he has 22 cosponsors, 11 from each party.

Republicans include Alexander, Rounds, Graham, McCain, Cassidy, Collins, Ernst, Murkowski, Burr, Corker, Isakson, and Grassley.

So it's past 60 votes, getting pretty close to 67 too.

That's assuming that all Dems vote for it. Under any reasonable circumstances, they should, but worth noting that almost all the Democratic cosponsors are moderate/establishment.

They will all vote for it.

[windjammer]

It will never pass the House

[Yank2133]

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This man is a complete buffoon.

[Hindsight was 2020]

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This man is a complete buffoon.

Does he realize moderate dems running in purple areas in 2018 can easily use this issue to beat on him to fire up the base in 2018 while at the same time support a piece of somewhat conservative legislation that moderates and crossover voters will support them one?

[Shadows]

This won't pass. No sane Democrat will vote for this as it guts key ACA provisions, allows junk insurance to be sold & gives states multiple waivers.

Obamacare as people know it will be dead. This will be a new modified, more conservative version. It is like a Graham Cassidy bill, only it doesn't penalize the blue states & doesn't approach a block-grant approach to the fund being raised.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This won't pass. No sane Democrat will vote for this as it guts key ACA provisions, allows junk insurance to be sold & gives states multiple waivers.

Obamacare as people know it will be dead. This will be a new modified, more conservative version. It is like a Graham Cassidy bill, only it doesn't penalize the blue states & doesn't approach a block-grant approach to the fund being raised.

All 48 senate democrats support it. It has my support as well.

[Shadows]

This won't pass. No sane Democrat will vote for this as it guts key ACA provisions, allows junk insurance to be sold & gives states multiple waivers.

Obamacare as people know it will be dead. This will be a new modified, more conservative version. It is like a Graham Cassidy bill, only it doesn't penalize the blue states & doesn't approach a block-grant approach to the fund being raised.

All 48 senate democrats support it. It has my support as well.

No they don't. Why would Democrats vote to guy the ACA & condemn more people to bankruptcy & in some states people will die as a result of this.

Why not support Graham Cassidy then? The Devil is in the details, but some of the waivers, state options & junk insurance scheme is effectively ending ACA & taking it into a worse direction. Again, the devil is in the details, so let us see, but it doesn't look good as a plan.

[Person Man]

This won't pass. No sane Democrat will vote for this as it guts key ACA provisions, allows junk insurance to be sold & gives states multiple waivers.

Obamacare as people know it will be dead. This will be a new modified, more conservative version. It is like a Graham Cassidy bill, only it doesn't penalize the blue states & doesn't approach a block-grant approach to the fund being raised.

All 48 senate democrats support it. It has my support as well.

No they don't. Why would Democrats vote to guy the ACA & condemn more people to bankruptcy & in some states people will die as a result of this.

Why not support Graham Cassidy then? The Devil is in the details, but some of the waivers, state options & junk insurance scheme is effectively ending ACA & taking it into a worse direction. Again, the devil is in the details, so let us see, but it doesn't look good as a plan.

There will be no vote.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Today's Republican Party:

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[GeorgiaModerate]

CBO says Alexander-Murray would reduce the deficit by $4B over 10 years.  That may not seem like much, but they estimate that NOT funding CSRs would increase the deficit by $194B.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/357091-cbo-bipartisan-deal-would-reduce-deficit-by-4-billion

[Kingpoleon]

CBO says Alexander-Murray would reduce the deficit by $4B over 10 years.  That may not seem like much, but they estimate that NOT funding CSRs would increase the deficit by $194B.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/357091-cbo-bipartisan-deal-would-reduce-deficit-by-4-billion

Wyden-Bennet was supposed to reduce the deficit by something like $40 billion, IIRC.

[Badger]

Someone please unsticky this dead thread. Potential repeal of the individual mandate is being addressed in the also-stickied tax cut thread, and no one has posted here in about 7 weeks.

Let it go, please.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This thread should remain stickied until January 2019 at least. I don't trust the GOP to ever let go.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This thread should remain stickied until January 2019 at least. I don't trust the GOP to ever let go.

You do realize that skinny repeal is in the tax cut bill?

[Antonio the Sixth]

This thread should remain stickied until January 2019 at least. I don't trust the GOP to ever let go.

You do realize that skinny repeal is in the tax cut bill?

Yes, but I'm not convinced they will stop there.

[Blue3]

There are way too many stickies as-is.

Stickies should only be the Major Issues of the day... not redundant, and not "well it might be tried again." If it is, create a new thread and sticky it then.

[7,052,770]

Someone please unsticky this dead thread. Potential repeal of the individual mandate is being addressed in the also-stickied tax cut thread, and no one has posted here in about 7 weeks.

Let it go, please.

No, this thread must remain stickied until Republicans give up on their dream of committing mass murder on millions of Americans.

[Mr. Morden]

Someone please unsticky this dead thread. Potential repeal of the individual mandate is being addressed in the also-stickied tax cut thread, and no one has posted here in about 7 weeks.

Let it go, please.

No, this thread must remain stickied until Republicans give up on their dream of committing mass murder on millions of Americans.

Disagree.  We don't need to keep threads stickied that aren't going to get any comments for like a month or two.  Then they're just a waste of space.  If it comes back in the news, and there's more for people to talk about, then it can be re-stickied.  Or better yet, should that happen, start a new thread.  This one's almost at 2000 replies as it is, so it's close to being ready to be locked anyway.  If a new health care push happened now, it should get a brand new thread, rather than letting this zombie thread stumble forward.

EDIT: I mean, for those saying "I don't trust the GOP to not bring it up again", you do realize that this thread being stickied or not has zero impact on what actually happens in Congress, right?  It's not like you're going to stop the GOP agenda based on which threads show up in this forum.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Someone please unsticky this dead thread. Potential repeal of the individual mandate is being addressed in the also-stickied tax cut thread, and no one has posted here in about 7 weeks.

Let it go, please.

No, this thread must remain stickied until Republicans give up on their dream of committing mass murder on millions of Americans.

Disagree.  We don't need to keep threads stickied that aren't going to get any comments for like a month or two.  Then they're just a waste of space.  If it comes back in the news, and there's more for people to talk about, then it can be re-stickied.  Or better yet, should that happen, start a new thread.  This one's almost at 2000 replies as it is, so it's close to being ready to be locked anyway.  If a new health care push happened now, it should get a brand new thread, rather than letting this zombie thread stumble forward.

EDIT: I mean, for those saying "I don't trust the GOP to not bring it up again", you do realize that this thread being stickied or not has zero impact on what actually happens in Congress, right?  It's not like you're going to stop the GOP agenda based on which threads show up in this forum.

The safe thing to do is assume what we do does have an effect in Congress. I do think this forum has a lot more publicity than people think, and would not be surprised if prominent elected officials ate signed up here under pseudonyms.

[The Other Castro]

Nothing that gets posted here is going to have any effect on legislation, and all talk on individual mandate repeal is probably fine just going in the tax bill thread since it's part of the tax bill and not a healthcare bill. If healthcare comes back then yeah that'll be another story, but there's no immediate indication of that, and right now this is kind of a waste of a sticky.

[Kingpoleon]

Someone please unsticky this dead thread. Potential repeal of the individual mandate is being addressed in the also-stickied tax cut thread, and no one has posted here in about 7 weeks.

Let it go, please.

No, this thread must remain stickied until Republicans give up on their dream of committing mass murder on millions of Americans.

Disagree.  We don't need to keep threads stickied that aren't going to get any comments for like a month or two.  Then they're just a waste of space.  If it comes back in the news, and there's more for people to talk about, then it can be re-stickied.  Or better yet, should that happen, start a new thread.  This one's almost at 2000 replies as it is, so it's close to being ready to be locked anyway.  If a new health care push happened now, it should get a brand new thread, rather than letting this zombie thread stumble forward.

EDIT: I mean, for those saying "I don't trust the GOP to not bring it up again", you do realize that this thread being stickied or not has zero impact on what actually happens in Congress, right?  It's not like you're going to stop the GOP agenda based on which threads show up in this forum.

The safe thing to do is assume what we do does have an effect in Congress. I do think this forum has a lot more publicity than people think, and would not be surprised if prominent elected officials ate signed up here under pseudonyms.

Is Atlas the reason you will resign, Al?

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Someone please unsticky this dead thread. Potential repeal of the individual mandate is being addressed in the also-stickied tax cut thread, and no one has posted here in about 7 weeks.

Let it go, please.

No, this thread must remain stickied until Republicans give up on their dream of committing mass murder on millions of Americans.

Disagree.  We don't need to keep threads stickied that aren't going to get any comments for like a month or two.  Then they're just a waste of space.  If it comes back in the news, and there's more for people to talk about, then it can be re-stickied.  Or better yet, should that happen, start a new thread.  This one's almost at 2000 replies as it is, so it's close to being ready to be locked anyway.  If a new health care push happened now, it should get a brand new thread, rather than letting this zombie thread stumble forward.

EDIT: I mean, for those saying "I don't trust the GOP to not bring it up again", you do realize that this thread being stickied or not has zero impact on what actually happens in Congress, right?  It's not like you're going to stop the GOP agenda based on which threads show up in this forum.

The safe thing to do is assume what we do does have an effect in Congress. I do think this forum has a lot more publicity than people think, and would not be surprised if prominent elected officials ate signed up here under pseudonyms.

I do know that there are some people on daily kos who are also politicians.

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NY-02 Dem Candidate

[junior chįmp]

These vultures just won't quit:

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[Sestak]

These vultures just won't quit:

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They couldn't do it when they had 52 and they needed 50.

How do they plan on doing it with 51 when they need 60?