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« on: March 18, 2017, 02:12:02 AM »

'kay
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 07:16:32 PM »

I swear the only place I've ever heard about this "Spong" guy is from #triggered religious conservatives on this forum. After quasi-associating with the Episcopals for over 5 years in real life, I've never once heard a thing about him - I doubt many rank-and-file Episcopals have idea who he is.

Spong is a good strawman for conservative Christians despite having been retired for well over a decade now.  Most Episcopalians don't deny the divinity of Christ and Spong never had anywhere near the kind of influence that the Albert Mohlers and Franklin Grahams of Christianity do.

Spong's "inviting the Christians of the world to debate" that set of "theses" he came up with a couple decades ago always gave me kind of the same vibe as Wulfric "endorsing" political candidates in states he doesn't live in.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 10:31:23 PM »

Spong isn't dead.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 04:26:54 PM »

Theism, the resurrection etc are integral parts of Christianity,
That's certainly the case for Pauline Christianity - which almost every version of Christianity has been.  However, if you tend to see Jesus mainly as a reformer and philosopher, it wouldn't be unreasonable to call oneself a Christian and yet not be a theist or believe in the resurrection.  The ethical teachings of Christ are valid and attractive regardless of the position one holds concerning Jesus' divinity.

I think frankly, you are describing two different religions, not the range of belief in one religion. They might have the same founder and a common history, but they have fundamentally different views on the questions religion seeks to answer. It might be useful for an academic to refer to both of them as Christian due to said common history, but Pauline and philosophical Christianity are fundamentally different in a way that Protestantism and Catholicism aren't.

Quoting a paper I wrote last year, for academic purposes "I use 'Christian' to indicate things that a Pauline confessional theologian of average broadmindedness would consider Christian, and 'para-Christian' to indicate things that more or less plausibly claim to be Christian or that a methodologically secular historian or sociologist of religion would consider Christian but a Pauline confessional theologian wouldn’t necessarily."
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