2017 French Presidential Election

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Dear God, that translator for Melenchon and Hamon on France24 English is so terrible.

I get that it's difficult to do live translations but I'm struggling to get some of what they candidates are saying. The Guardian live feed is pretty good at summing up what they are saying so I'm reading that too.

But Le Pen, Macron and Fillon translators are pretty good. Hamon and Melenchon just got the worst guy. 

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Why is PACA so right-wing?

In a nutshell, pieds-noirs, the tourism industry, and strong anti-immigration sentiment. Gaël would have a lot more to say about it, of course.

That's a fair summary, although I'll just say that people seriously overstate the importance of the pied-noir and that there's something to be said about the bleak sh**ttiness of the many small and mid-sized towns which are massive FN strongholds (Le Luc, Cogolin, Le Pontet, Beaucaire, Carpentras, Monteux, Brignoles etc.).

[Tender Branson]

Why did you delete my post, Hashemite ?

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This thread is about France, not Austria.

[Tender Branson]

This thread is about France, not Austria.

Yes, but they have similar voting patterns.

Please do not delete stuff that don't fit your personal world-view. There's freedom of speech, no matter if you like that fact or not. Don't behave like Islamo-Fascist Erdogan and the likes ... Thx.

[DavidB.]

This thread is about France, not Austria.

Yes, but they have similar voting patterns.

Please do not delete stuff that don't fit your personal world-view. There's freedom of speech, no matter if you like that fact or not. Don't behave like Islamo-Fascist Erdogan and the likes ... Thx.

You really, really need to stop making everything about Austria...

[Tender Branson]

This thread is about France, not Austria.

Yes, but they have similar voting patterns.

Please do not delete stuff that don't fit your personal world-view. There's freedom of speech, no matter if you like that fact or not. Don't behave like Islamo-Fascist Erdogan and the likes ... Thx.

You really, really need to stop making everything about Austria...

I write what I want and not what others want me to write.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

lol, Fillon's big education idea is school uniforms.

[Zinneke]

This thread is about France, not Austria.

Yes, but they have similar voting patterns.

Please do not delete stuff that don't fit your personal world-view. There's freedom of speech, no matter if you like that fact or not. Don't behave like Islamo-Fascist Erdogan and the likes ... Thx.

You really, really need to stop making everything about Austria...

I write what I want and not what others want me to write.

How did that work out at school for you?

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This board has certain rules which are explicitly set out, including the need to "contribute relevant content to the threads" and refraining "do not add any insightful value to the thread and discussion", and as is also explicitly set out, as moderator it is to my discretion how to treat such posts - and sometimes I choose to delete posts, without giving any 'infraction points'. The quality of discussion and analysis on the forum has shamefully collapsed in recent years, and this board is one of the few boards which still retains some level of interesting and relevant intelligent analysis, and I really intend to keep it that way. Ceaseless "Let me tell you how it is done in Austria!" posts are not helpful and contribute nothing to this thread, particularly when there's already an active thread about Austria where such posts would obviously be more than welcome (and please don't pretend that you're doing comparative politics, because that's not what comparative politics is). For that reason, for example, I won't go about making "Let me tell you how it is done in Canada!" posts in a thread about Austria, because posts like that wouldn't add any insightful value to the discussion.

Throwing around your favourite little epithets willy-nilly isn't helpful to anyone here and really doesn't elevate the quality of debate, which isn't very high to begin with on this forum. Nor are little "I can do what I want!" fits.

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[MAINEiac4434]

https://twitter.com/xfrison/status/843939495544274946

Point d'étape : #Fillon, l'air absent, inaudible, le grand perdant de la soirée pour le moment. #LeGrandDebat

Fillon is basically absent.

[Tirnam]

First part of the debate is over.

Fillon as present as his wife in the National Assembly
Le Pen attacked by everyone (except Fillon)
Macron a little out of the debate the first hour but he had the best attack against Le Pen
Mélenchon is quite good attacking Le Pen and Fillon
Hamon attacked Le Pen with a good punchline "you are addicted to crime news" and Macron about money.

[Umengus]

it's sadly not freedom of speech here.

[Umengus]

First part of the debate is over.

Fillon as present as his wife in the National Assembly
Le Pen attacked by everyone (except Fillon)
Macron a little out of the debate the first hour but he had the best attack against Le Pen
Mélenchon is quite good attacking Le Pen and Fillon
Hamon attacked Le Pen with a good punchline "you are addicted to crime news" and Macron about money.

you are hostage of your left convictions...

The 2 best are Le Pen and Melanchon. Fillon absent, Hamon in his bisounours world and Macron a little better.

[Zinneke]

First part of the debate is over.

Fillon as present as his wife in the National Assembly
Le Pen attacked by everyone (except Fillon)
Macron a little out of the debate the first hour but he had the best attack against Le Pen
Mélenchon is quite good attacking Le Pen and Fillon
Hamon attacked Le Pen with a good punchline "you are addicted to crime news" and Macron about money.

Le Pen is the strongest for me, unfortunately, she seems to always bring the debate towards the subjects she wants to dicuss, even if they are completely unrelated to the intention of the question.

Mélenchon is the sharpest, along with Hamon, but Hamon also looks incredibly scripted compared to the former, even if the script is reasonably good for the tired socialist arguments (just heard him talk about working hours again though) - he just looks like a party guy.

Fillon and Macron by far the weakest. Macron occasionally when he gets animated shows glimpses of interest but on policy he is too vague, which is what everybody feared. Fillon is just silent, he started strongly but now looks totally irrelevant.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Ugh, Hamon about unconditional basic income a little bit clueless.


And Le Pen is nothing close to the best, she all the time do not talk about the topic, she just talk about what she wants.

[Zinneke]

Ugh, Hamon about unconditional basic income a little bit clueless.


And Le Pen is nothing close to the best, she all the time do not talk about the topic, she just talk about what she wants.

Yeah, but that's why she is the most convincing. The problem is she is lying through her teeth and nobody brought up the fact that single most powerful lobby on the floor today is the Russian one, backing her.

[Zinneke]

This board has certain rules which are explicitly set out, including the need to "contribute relevant content to the threads" and refraining "do not add any insightful value to the thread and discussion", and as is also explicitly set out, as moderator it is to my discretion how to treat such posts - and sometimes I choose to delete posts, without giving any 'infraction points'. The quality of discussion and analysis on the forum has shamefully collapsed in recent years, and this board is one of the few boards which still retains some level of interesting and relevant intelligent analysis, and I really intend to keep it that way. Ceaseless "Let me tell you how it is done in Austria!" posts are not helpful and contribute nothing to this thread, particularly when there's already an active thread about Austria where such posts would obviously be more than welcome (and please don't pretend that you're doing comparative politics, because that's not what comparative politics is). For that reason, for example, I won't go about making "Let me tell you how it is done in Canada!" posts in a thread about Austria, because posts like that wouldn't add any insightful value to the discussion.

Throwing around your favourite little epithets willy-nilly isn't helpful to anyone here and really doesn't elevate the quality of debate, which isn't very high to begin with on this forum. Nor are little "I can do what I want!" fits.

That's all I will say on this topic. If you wish to discuss it further, you may send me a PM.

you are hostage of your left convictions...

Hashemite, I will not lecture you on how to run the forum, but the first measure that would improve the debate exponentially would be to take off the flairs. Everybody here is accused of bias.

[Umengus]

First part of the debate is over.

Fillon as present as his wife in the National Assembly
Le Pen attacked by everyone (except Fillon)
Macron a little out of the debate the first hour but he had the best attack against Le Pen
Mélenchon is quite good attacking Le Pen and Fillon
Hamon attacked Le Pen with a good punchline "you are addicted to crime news" and Macron about money.

Le Pen is the strongest for me, unfortunately, she seems to always bring the debate towards the subjects she wants to dicuss, even if they are completely unrelated to the intention of the question.

Mélenchon is the sharpest, along with Hamon, but Hamon also looks incredibly scripted compared to the former, even if the script is reasonably good for the tired socialist arguments (just heard him talk about working hours again though) - he just looks like a party guy.

Fillon and Macron by far the weakest. Macron occasionally when he gets animated shows glimpses of interest but on policy he is too vague, which is what everybody feared. Fillon is just silent, he started strongly but now looks totally irrelevant.

100 % agreed. Le Pen is lucky to have begun with her topics. Now she's lost.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Ugh, Hamon about unconditional basic income a little bit clueless.


And Le Pen is nothing close to the best, she all the time do not talk about the topic, she just talk about what she wants.

Yeah, but that's why she is the most convincing. The problem is she is lying through her teeth and nobody brought up the fact that single most powerful lobby on the floor today is the Russian one, backing her.

Well for me it's just a sign of incompetence, she don't know what to talk about energy plants so she talks about agriculture. But I understand that for her electorate this really doesn't matter.

[Umengus]

This board has certain rules which are explicitly set out, including the need to "contribute relevant content to the threads" and refraining "do not add any insightful value to the thread and discussion", and as is also explicitly set out, as moderator it is to my discretion how to treat such posts - and sometimes I choose to delete posts, without giving any 'infraction points'. The quality of discussion and analysis on the forum has shamefully collapsed in recent years, and this board is one of the few boards which still retains some level of interesting and relevant intelligent analysis, and I really intend to keep it that way. Ceaseless "Let me tell you how it is done in Austria!" posts are not helpful and contribute nothing to this thread, particularly when there's already an active thread about Austria where such posts would obviously be more than welcome (and please don't pretend that you're doing comparative politics, because that's not what comparative politics is). For that reason, for example, I won't go about making "Let me tell you how it is done in Canada!" posts in a thread about Austria, because posts like that wouldn't add any insightful value to the discussion.

Throwing around your favourite little epithets willy-nilly isn't helpful to anyone here and really doesn't elevate the quality of debate, which isn't very high to begin with on this forum. Nor are little "I can do what I want!" fits.

That's all I will say on this topic. If you wish to discuss it further, you may send me a PM.

you are hostage of your left convictions...

Hashemite, I will not lecture you on how to run the forum, but the first measure that would improve the debate exponentially would be to take off the flairs. Everybody here is accused of bias.

because everybody has bias. The problem is when moderators have bias...

[Tirnam]

Le Pen had a good start, for 30-40 minutes, but that's it. But for her it doesn't matter anyway. Her voters will vote for her, and she won't convince anybody else.

Mélenchon is really good to animate the debate, but his fight is really against Hamon. The majority will not agree with his proposals.

[Umengus]

Le Pen had a good start, for 30-40 minutes, but that's it. But for her it doesn't matter anyway. Her voters will vote for her, and she won't convince anybody else.

Mélenchon is really good to animate the debate, but his fight is really against Hamon. The majority will not agree with his proposals.

agree but Le Pen had a good moment now with her protectionism,...

[Zinneke]

This board has certain rules which are explicitly set out, including the need to "contribute relevant content to the threads" and refraining "do not add any insightful value to the thread and discussion", and as is also explicitly set out, as moderator it is to my discretion how to treat such posts - and sometimes I choose to delete posts, without giving any 'infraction points'. The quality of discussion and analysis on the forum has shamefully collapsed in recent years, and this board is one of the few boards which still retains some level of interesting and relevant intelligent analysis, and I really intend to keep it that way. Ceaseless "Let me tell you how it is done in Austria!" posts are not helpful and contribute nothing to this thread, particularly when there's already an active thread about Austria where such posts would obviously be more than welcome (and please don't pretend that you're doing comparative politics, because that's not what comparative politics is). For that reason, for example, I won't go about making "Let me tell you how it is done in Canada!" posts in a thread about Austria, because posts like that wouldn't add any insightful value to the discussion.

Throwing around your favourite little epithets willy-nilly isn't helpful to anyone here and really doesn't elevate the quality of debate, which isn't very high to begin with on this forum. Nor are little "I can do what I want!" fits.

That's all I will say on this topic. If you wish to discuss it further, you may send me a PM.

you are hostage of your left convictions...

Hashemite, I will not lecture you on how to run the forum, but the first measure that would improve the debate exponentially would be to take off the flairs. Everybody here is accused of bias.

because everybody has bias. The problem is when moderators have bias...

Sure, but part of the bias is fed by the fact that we wear flairs with X-XX and basically feel necessary to justify this from the very start, even unconsciously.

That the moderators have bias is inevitable, and unfortunate (like your sig for example, that post I would not ban, but I would ban posts that deliberately look to disrupt and provoke) but this forum is like a private property that is entrusted to the moderators to govern. Nothing we can do about that other than go on other forums, which they would probably welcome.

[Umengus]

lol

On the figaro.fr, Fillon is the best...

What a joke, what a bias...