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« Reply #350 on: May 21, 2019, 05:42:41 pm »

the surge of VB is due to the NVA exercise of the power in the michel government and a good and fresh president (van grieken), a young guy who begins to be popular.
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« Reply #351 on: May 22, 2019, 02:12:29 am »

And to add to what the two above said, their small bump since the local elections is because they were put in the media spotlight a lot since then (e.g. what is happening in Ninove) and in the meantime the N-VA, specifically far right fanboy favorite Theo Francken, got caught in a scandal involving handing out humanitarian visas to specific communities, namely Assyrians, in exchange of course for the community block vote :

http://brusselstimes.com/belgium/politics/14471/francken-system-of-humanitarian-visas-condemned-in-parliament

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The system worked like this: Francken (photo) used a network of intermediaries selected by him to find worthy candidates who could receive a humanitarian visa to allow them to leave the places they were living in Iraq and Syria to come to safety in Belgium, where they would be able to apply for asylum.

However despite the fact that whole populations are in danger in those war-torn areas, Francken's system favoured only the small group of Syrian-Assyrian Christians with whom they were in touch. In addition, there was no control over who was given a visa: one intermediary, Melikan Kucam, a city councillor in Mechelen and head of an Assyrian Christian association here, is facing charges of having demanded fees of up to 10,000 euros for a visa – money which he allegedly kept for himself.

This was uncovered when De Block took over Francken's ministry.  

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« Reply #352 on: May 23, 2019, 02:50:08 am »

The RTBF and the VRT both organised debates with the Presidents of each party on their side of the linguistic border. PVDA/PTB, as the only unitary party, had to skip the francophone one because both debates refused to allow "porte-paroles" for this final debate. I watched the RTBF one and for me the big surprise was how impressive Prévot (cdH) was. Michel and Di Rupo were both attacked for their actions as PM enough to sink into the shadows (for Di Rupo it was particularly more damaging as I don't think he expected being taken up on his record as PM, he still thinks he can pass as the coal miner's son with the chip on his shoulder), and Nollet got aggressive with the moderators, losing a bit of credibility. Maingain was Maingain, very good rhetorician yet you still feel his party doesn't have a coherent ideological vision.   
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« Reply #353 on: May 25, 2019, 01:37:11 pm »
« Edited: May 25, 2019, 01:48:40 pm by coloniac »

Okay I'm going to do a constituency by constituency preview of the federal election, which means the results from 2014 are from the federal lists. We have a D'Hondt system combined with a constituency, very similar to Spain except as a smaller country we only have 10 constituencies (the historical provinces) + Brussels. I could also do for regional (much more interesting in Brussels case because of the Flemish college) but Federal makes it easier and is probably what people are interested in.

Let's start with Flanders, with the disclaimer that I have not been following their campaign as closely as I would have liked, so Lakigigar is welcome to intervene.

Vlaams Brabant

Key urban centres : Leuven, Vilvoorde

Seats available : 15

2014 results :

N-VA 192,698 votes (28%) 5 seats
Open VLD 170,128 (25%) 4 seats
CD&V 112,251 (16.5%) 3 seats
SP.A 81,254 (11.96%) 2 seats
Groen 59,096 (8.70%) 1 seat
==========THRESHOLD==========
Vlaams Belang 28,857 (4.25%) 0
PTB/PVDA+ 12,664 (1.86%) 0

Current 2019 Projection : N-VA 4 (-1) VLD 4 (nc) CD&V 2 (-1) sp.a 2 (nc) Groen 2 (+1) VB 1 (+1)

Looks like 60-65,000 votes should be the threshold again here, in this constituency that used to be dominated by VLD due to rich Brussels suburbs, with Leuven and its agglomeration providing some relief for progressive parties. The nationalists have taken over the debate here this election though by pitting ex-Immigration Minister and now N-VA stalwart Theo Francken against Dries Vandelanove, a recent recruit of Vlaams Belang after he and his far right youth organisation was expelled from the N-VA's (specifically Francken's) meetings for their anti-semitic posts on a discord server. It seems like VB are the ones to gain the most here because of it. VDL should be elected

Below the threshold, PVDA don't have much chance in one of the most de-industrialised and service sector based parts of the country, with only Leuven (which tends to be quite conservative university anyway) students and academics providing solace. Défi are running their list (controversially against the Union des Francophones at the regional level), but will also not get in.  

Antwerpen (Province)

Key urban centres : Antwerp, Mechelen, Lier

Seats available : 24

2014 results :

N-VA 449,531 (40%) 11 seats
CD&V 183,636 (16%) 4 seats
sp.a 132,096 (11.5%) 3 seats
Open VLD 116,892 (10%) 2 seats
Groen 112,477 (9.85%) 2 seats
Vlaams Belang 79,852 (7%) 2 seats
=======THRESHOLD===========
PVDA 51,638 (4.5%) 0 seats

Current 2019 Projection : N-VA 8 (-3) CD&V 3 (-1) Groen 4 (+2) sp.a 2 (nc) VLD 2 (nc) VB 3 (+1) PVDA 2 (+2)

Bizzarrely a province associated with the Nationalist Right appears to be swinging leftwards according the polls, with Groen and PVDA making together a 4 seat gain. The issues here have been mostly about environment, the nuclear power plant in Doel and mobility due to the very recent local election. Plus there may be a bit of punishing the N-VA Antwerp(-city) Mayor De Wever for running to be Minister-President of Flanders after he campaigned to run Antwerp for 5 more years. VB also should recover thanks to Tom Van Grieken's more nuanced style of campaigning to long time Antwerp VB stallwart Filip De Winter

East Flanders


Key urban centres : Gent, Aalst, Zelzate, Beveren

Seats available[/b] : 20

2014 results :

N-VA 306,309 (31%) 6 seats
Open VLD 178,911 (18%) 4 seats
CD&V 177,178 (18%) 4 seats
sp.a 131,607 (13%) 3 seats
Groen 90,144 (9%) 2 seats
Vlaams Belang 61,523 (6%) 1 seat
======THRESHOLD===========
PVDA 26294 (2.5%) 0 seats

Current 2019 seat projection : N-VA 6 (nc) CD&V 3 (-1) VLD 3 (-1) Groen 3 (+1) sp.a 2 (nc) VB 2 (+1)

Very close province where surprisingly no one has really deployed heavy hitters, maybe because controversial figures may alienate one or another demographic in an incredibly varied province, ranging from ultra-cosmopolitan hipstermodern student city Gent to more run down parts and an underrated farming community that backs scandal CD&V strong woman Joke Schauvliege. PVDA might beat the threshold thanks to their performances in Zelzate and neighbouring Waasland. Quite a crucial constituency for them as their only mayor is here.

West Flanders


Key urban centres : Brugge, Zeebrugge, Kortrijk

Seats available : 16

2014 results :

N-VA : 230,265 (28.5%) 6 seats
CD&V : 175,669 (21.74%) 4 seats
sp.a 142,406 (17.6%) 3 seats
Open VLD 111,388 (13.8%) 2 seats
Groen 63,657 (7.9%) 1 seat
========THRESHOLD============
Vlaams Belang 38,232 (4,7%) 0 seats
PVDA 13,397 (1,66%) 0 seats

Current 2019 seat projection : N-VA 5 (-1) CD&V 3 (-1) sp.a 3 (nc) VLD 2 (nc) Groen 2 (+1) VB 1 (+1)

Quite a relatively strong constituency for traditional parties, specifically sp.a and CD&V. I think the key here is whether VB can make the threshold. They were never super strong in this constituency even at their zenith but they could cause damage to N-VA. The rural vote here is quite key, while coastal cities provide sp.a with a strong retiree + low skilled worker combo vote.

(Belgian) Limburg

Key urban centres : Genk, Hasselt

Seats available : 12

2014 results :

N-VA 174,030 (31%) 5 seats
CD&V 125,962 (22%) 3 seats
sp.a 98,194 (17%) 2 seats
Open VLD 68,713 (12%) 2 seats
======THRESHOLD=======
Groen 33,244 (6%) 0
Vlaams Belang 34,020 (6%) 0
PTB/PVDA 14,253 (2%) 0

Current 2019 Projection : N-VA 4 (-1) CD&V 3 (nc) sp.a 2 (nc) VLD 1 (-1) Groen 1 (+1) PVDA 0 (nc)

Threshold will probably be lower here due to an sp.a and VLD collapse, although sp.a did well in the last election and kinda got ed over with 2 seats (same number as VLD despite 30,000 odd more votes) so they'll hold well. VB should nick a seat from N-VA too here although I wouldn't be surprised if one of VB or Groen fail to meet the threshold. Main urban centre is Hasselt-Genk, and main specific campaign themes are integration rather than recent immigration (Demir attacking the Turkish communities here and vice versa).
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« Reply #354 on: May 25, 2019, 01:47:39 pm »

Are those projections from you or from pollings?
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« Reply #355 on: May 25, 2019, 01:49:13 pm »

Are those projections from you or from pollings?

pollings, although maybe not the most recent ones where the Greens were slightly weaker.
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« Reply #356 on: May 25, 2019, 01:55:09 pm »

Are those projections from you or from pollings?

pollings, although maybe not the most recent ones where the Greens were slightly weaker.

I expect a huge VB surge (recent pollings + late deciding voters often vote VB), and a good result for them. s.pa, VLD, CD&V and N-VA will all lose a bit, but not much. Groen and PVDA will gain from last elections. I expect 2-3 seats from Flanders for PVDA (Oost-Vlaanderen, Antwerpen and maybe Limburg). But the projections are certainly too harsh for Vlaams Belang. I also think in Flemish Brabant Open VLD will lose quite a bit, because of the Maggie de Block effect in 2014.
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« Reply #357 on: May 25, 2019, 02:40:03 pm »

I actually think the opposite might happen. VB voters wanting to merely send a message to N-VA will come back home to N-VA because of the federal stakes, very similar to what happened with the PVV surge north of the border. I think De Wever should have pushed his message much more and much earlier though that people needed to vote N-VA to stop the Walloon Left, and he shouldn't have dumped Michel and MR (litterally his only partner in Francophone Belgium) in the excrement after they took a gamble on his party.
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« Reply #358 on: May 25, 2019, 03:10:41 pm »
« Edited: May 25, 2019, 04:43:51 pm by coloniac »

Let's continue with Wallonia. You'll notice that because of smaller constituencies, smaller parties and to a lesser extent parties that over-perform in votes compared to their next nearest rival get screwed over. This is where thresholds are arguably more important.

Brabant Wallon

Key urban centres : Wavre, Nivelles, Ottignies-Louvain-la-Neuve.

Seats available : 5

2014 results :

MR 97,741 (40%) 3 seats
PS 51,359 (21%) 1 seat
ECOLO 27,356 (11.4%) 1 seat
=====THRESHOLD========
cdH 26,335 (11%) 0 seats
FDF (Défi) 11,198 (4.7%) 0 seats
PP 9,544 (4%) 0 seats
PTB 6,500 (2.7%) 0 seats

Current 2019 Projection : MR 2 (-1) ECOLO 2 (+1) PS 1 (nc) cdH 0 Défi 0 PP 0 PTB 0

This is an interesting constituency as it shows the MR --> ECOLO swing in high income Walloon professional circles concerned with environment and mobility. ECOLO were lucky last election to hold on to their seat from cdH. Looks like they will hold them off easily and its PS who will be battling to retain their single seat. I think given that Défi will eat into cdH and MR and there are still enough low income towns and public servants here (Nivelles, Tubize) they should be OK.

Hainaut


Key urban centres : Charleroi, Mons, Tournai, La Louvière.

Seats available : 18

2014 results :
PS 303,085 (41%) 9 seats
MR 153,304 (20,76%) 5 seats
cdH 76,812 (10,40%) 2 seats
ECOLO 43,489 (5.9%) 1 seat
PTB 38,194 (5.17%) 1 seat
=======THRESHOLD===========
PP 32,158 (4.35%) 0
FDF (Défi) 14,382 (2%) 0

Current 2019 Projection :
PS 8 (-1) MR 3 (-2) ECOLO 3 (+2) PTB 3 (+2) cdH 1 (-1) Défi 0 PP 0

This is probably the most rigid constituency in Europe let alone the country. PS dominate here, because they control the magic money tap (not just Flemish funds, but also EU), and the old coal mining districts. PTB and ECOLO are set to surge though, but mostly because of MR and cdH unpopularity, and Nollet (ECOLO) having a leading role in their nationwide campaign.



Liège-Province

Key urban centres : Liège and its surrounding communes, Verviers, Eupen (and Ostkantons).

Seats available : 15

2014 results :

PS 187,934 (30%) 5 seats
MR 158,062 (25%) 5 seats
cdH 81,789 (13%) 2 seats
ECOLO 56,902 (9%) 1 seat
PTB 50,609 (8%) 1 seat
======THRESHOLD===========
PP 32,237 (5%) 0 seats
FDF 14,382 0 seats

Current 2019 seat projection : PS 4 (-1) MR 3 (-2) ECOLO 3 (+2) PTB 3 (+2) cdH 1 (-1)

ECOLO and PTB gaining from the traditional parties was expected here given the Publifin scandal and MR+cdH government being deeply unpopular in this left-wing heartland. cdH are tipped to not even retain their singular seat here, with PS or ECOLO (or maybe even PP!) potentially gaining from them. The issue haven't really falled into PTB's lap enough to challenge PS as they would have liked, but with Hedebouw's charisma this should be their best constituency nationwide.

Luxembourg (Province de)

Key urban centres : hahaha...oh no seriously Arlon and Bastogne.

Seats available :  4

2014 results :
cdH 56,702 (33%) 2 seats
MR 41,346 (24%) 1 seat
PS 37, 373 (22%) 1 seat
========THRESHOLD============
ECOLO 13,471
PP 6,980
PTB 4,003

Current 2019 projection : cdH 1 (-1) MR 1 (nc) PS 1 (nc) Ecolo 1 (+1)

As you can see ECOLO had an almighty uphill task to catch up the traditional parties in the most clientelist province in the country, but they appear to have done it thanks to an equally impressive cdH collapse in their home province dominated by the agricultural industry. I think given the substantial gap and cdH always being underpolled here one of MR, PS or ECOLO could fall victim to cdH knicking a seat back from them.  

Namur Province

Key urban centres : Namur, maybe Dinant.

Seats available : 6

2014 results :
MR 84,788 (28.3%) 2 seats
PS 83, 361 (27,83%) 2 seats
cdH 48,135 (16,07%) 1 seat
ECOLO 29,186 (9.74%) 1 seat
======THRESHOLD=======
PTB 14,559 (5%) 0 seats
PP 13,029 (4.3%) 0 seats
FDF 8,367 (2.8%) 0 seats

Current 2019 Projection : PS 2 (nc) ECOLO 2 (+1) MR 1 (-1) PTB 1 (+1)

Namur is always a close contest. MR did well to just pip PS here in 2014, although they had the benefit of being in opposition in Wallonia. Now they are staring at defeat and a key swing constituency being solidly left. cdH leader Prévot could face humiliation here by not being elected but I think he should be able to defy the polls (as cdH always do) and resist from PTB. Very tough contest, this one, just like the mayoral race for its namesake city. Definitely one to watch tomorrow.  
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« Reply #359 on: May 25, 2019, 03:29:01 pm »

You'll have noticed I did not list any parties that didn't make the overall federal parliament - minor parties. This is both to show you that the electoral system does not really help them as such, partly because people tactically vote, partly because of small constituencies so the pie is hard to divide. I also didn't list them because the small parties tend to change every four-five years because party funding is dependent on seats and political issues change. I'll do a brief preview of some of these more crackpot parties when we get to Brussels, where they are most likely to surge.
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« Reply #360 on: May 26, 2019, 01:55:02 am »
« Edited: May 26, 2019, 02:32:57 am by coloniac »

Time for Brussels. We are the most unrepresented constituency in the land (thank you peripheral nationalists) having only 15 seats for 1.8 million people and something like 600,000 eligible voters. Thus the threshold and d'Hondt method makes it hard for the small parties and the Flemish parties to get in federally. Note that because of the FLemish college system regionally Flemish and small parties tend to stand there and do well within it.

Edit : and as a reminder the 7 communes with franciphone majorities in the Brussels périphérie also have access to this electoral arena should they wish, and can vote for francophone parties

Seats available : 15

2014 results :
PS 124,053 (24.8%) 5 seats
MR 115,049 (23%) 4 seats
FDF (Défi) 55,323 (11%) 2 seats
ECOLO-Groen 52,147 (10.5%) 2 seats
cdH 46,508 (9.3%) 2 seats
====THRESHOLD=======
PTB/PVDA 19.142
Open VLD 13,294 (2.6%)
N-VA 13,240 (2.6%)
sp.a 9,633 (1.9%)
PP 8.651 (1.7%)
CD&V 8,193 (1.6%)
Vlaams Belang 5,165 (1%)

Current 2019 projection : PS 4 (-1) ECOLO-Groen 4 (+2) MR 3 (-1) PTB/PVDA 2 (+2) Défi 1 (-1) cdH 1 (-1) N-VA 0 CD&V 0 Open Vld 0 sp.a 0 VB 0 Listes Destexhes/PP 0

The key question every psephology anorak is asking is whether the cdH collapse will see the N-VA gain their first federal seat in Brussels, largely due to a growing francophone fanbase for the nationalist movement within the capital. At the regional level the N-VA may be forced upon the francophone parties into government because of how well they are doing in the Flemish college. But here it looks like PTB/PVDA scoring well and as a result raising the threshold, as well as the entry of hard right Listes Destexhe into the francophone electoral arena, will stop N-VA from gaining federal seat here.


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Listes Destexhe : Breakaway movement of Alain Destexhe from the MR, the LD will eventually change its name if its manages, as some polls predict, to break through is Brussels. Destexhe is an ex-humanitarian, having worked for Médecins Sans Frontières, who took up issues of integration in his political portfolio when he entered politics with MR. During his stint there he was largely unsuccessful, and at the same time a useful pawn for the MR leadership to deploy on TV debates or panels to shore up the hard to far right vote in Brussels and Wallonia. He regularly clashes with his colleagues in Brussels, especially FDF (then part of the MR cartel)  who accused him of carpet bagging when he ran his own list against Gosuin in Auderghem. Now he wants to create a "Francophone N-VA", just without the communitarian/nationalist agenda. If there is one minor party capable of gaining a seat this election, it might be this one in Brussels because of a low threshold collapse.

DierAnimal : since ECOLO's electoral tract saying they protect the ritual slaughter of animals as a religious freedom right, Belgium's more radical answer to the Partij van de Dieren in the Netherlands is standing in several constituencies and stands a chance of gaining protest votes. Their posters are the candidates posting with different animals.

Be.one : Another case of looking over the border and trying to copy the neighbours success, without realising how hard it is for new parties without a cartel. Be.one is essentially the same as Artikel 1 in the NL, only perhaps more Muslim-orientated given the names on the list (since after all some of their community leaders consider themselves as the victims-in-chief, above all else). Its pretty much some woke stuff about ending discrimination on all levels (gender, race, religion, etc.).  

VOLT : the pan-European VOLT movement hopes to make an impact in the local Belgian political scene too. By standing candidates in the Flemish college in Brussels they hope to potentially outmaneuver the other small parties, needing less votes, but also a federal list in Antwerp province. Still quite unlikely as their platform of liberalism with federal EU, etc is in tough competition with the liberal pillar anyway and they fail to really address typically Belgo-belgian issues that get people elected (which is also admirable in a sense).

B.u.B : a party advocated a return to a Belgian unitary state, that has been taken over by hard to far right elements.

Nation and Agir : two far right groupuscules that stand in Wallonia. Nation is a national socialist far right movement iirc.

de coöperatie : some sort of wierd technocratic, civil society movement that is running two lists in Flanders. Very vague program but clearly anti-political and based on "long term solutions".

There are also many other minor parties standing in the regional elections. the RTBF have a great list of all the ballot papers in pdf here :

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detail_a-quoi-vont-ressembler-vos-bulletins-de-vote-ce-dimanche-26-mai-voici-les-listes-region-par-region?id=10228473


 Feel free to ask and I'll try to answer tomorrow. I will be quite busy today so I hope Lakigigar is online. Otherwise I've laid the groundwork for you to analyse the results.

The liveblogs will be here :

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/05/26/liveblog-verkiezingen/

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detail_les-bureaux-de-votes-ouvrent-suivez-notre-direct?id=10229338

the streams will also be up on their websites shortly. I wouldn't blame you for following the broader EP votes though. I didn't really have time to preview those in Belgium.
 


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« Reply #361 on: May 26, 2019, 04:33:30 am »

Destexhe will have seats (and probably a group)  in the Brussels assembly because there is a technical agreement between Destexhe and the PP to have it: votes for PP and destexhe will be counted together.
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« Reply #362 on: May 26, 2019, 05:01:52 am »

My cousin will probably vote DierAnimal, but she's very radical about animals as well. I just voted PVDA-PTB three times Smiley.
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« Reply #363 on: May 26, 2019, 06:36:09 am »

What happened to the DENK copy? Wasn't it named ISLAM or so?

Is there any chance VB get two seats in Flemish Brabant?

Will there be a livestream and exit polls? I assume there is no embargo on federal election results, only on EU parliament results?
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« Reply #364 on: May 26, 2019, 07:33:08 am »

What happened to the DENK copy? Wasn't it named ISLAM or so?

Is there any chance VB get two seats in Flemish Brabant?

Will there be a livestream and exit polls? I assume there is no embargo on federal election results, only on EU parliament results?
No, ISLAM is more radical than DENK, but there are multiple DENK copy parties like D-SA and Be.one and more... They really couldn't unite and all, and won't be a huge influence to this election.

One seat is almost certainly, two is a possibility but not entirely sure of chance rates

I'm not sure either, but i'll keep you updated if you want in this topic. I'm not sure if there is even an embargo on the EU election. I'm not sure if we even have exit polls, usually not.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/#/2/15/2000/percentages here you can see the results
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« Reply #365 on: May 26, 2019, 07:37:29 am »

ISLAM wasn't a Denk copy, it was far worse. The former sp.a Turkish guy who formed his own movement thought out as a carbon copy of Denk is running lists called D-SA in Flanders I think, although more so that Denk they insist they're not a migrant party.

ISLAM's old vice president is now in a list in Brussels called Act-SALEM. I think they are much more moderate but they probably have some dodgy Islamists in the lower ranks of their list. (Every party in Brussels has utter idiots in their list, that haven't been vetted properly compared to the other constituencies). You also have a one candidate liste called "Hé" in Bxl that is solely about the "right" for women to wear the full veil.
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« Reply #366 on: May 26, 2019, 07:41:52 am »

PVDA-PTB also has extremists in their lower ranks... I always pay attention to who i vote, but in particular in Brussels it's a problem. Some that are elected already left the PVDA because they don't give half of their wage to the party or vote for different legislations than what PVDA advocates of (mostly in case of foreigners that are elected). Not to say Groen / Ecolo has those utter idiots on their lists as well ofc. (and PS even more)
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« Reply #367 on: May 26, 2019, 07:43:55 am »

PVDA-PTB also has extremists in their lower ranks... I always pay attention to who i vote, but in particular in Brussels it's a problem. Some that are elected already left the PVDA because they don't give half of their wage to the party or vote for different legislations than what PVDA advocates of (mostly in case of foreigners that are elected). Not to say Groen / Ecolo has those utter idiots on their lists as well ofc.

Yeah those two morons who left the PTB party whip at Molenbeek's council because "we didn't know that it was a Communist party and that it had such a strict top-down approach"...i just want to slap these people. And the councillors in Schaerbeek who towed the conspiracy theories about a raped 4 year old and a government conspiracy. These guys get elected based on their contact book and having too much free time.
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« Reply #368 on: May 26, 2019, 07:48:34 am »

Currently gilets jaunes riots / protests in Brussels on election day.
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« Reply #369 on: May 26, 2019, 08:07:41 am »

What time does voting close in Belgium?

Thought it was 3pm nationwide but French-speaking TV has just said 4pm local time Brussels and 2pm local time Wallonia? What time does Flanders close?

Thanks and thanks for all the updates!

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« Reply #370 on: May 26, 2019, 08:11:51 am »

Will there be exit polls?
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« Reply #371 on: May 26, 2019, 08:26:49 am »



first result from a local canton, 7% counted. Very early yet, but possible trends to be seen already: far-right populist party wins a lot.
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« Reply #372 on: May 26, 2019, 08:48:24 am »

You heard the "wow" in the studio... This is shocking from a canton in west-flanders. The right-wing populist party gains 25%.

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« Reply #373 on: May 26, 2019, 08:53:23 am »

But in Tongeren N-VA loses a lot to Open VLD instead of VB. Why would people switch from N-VA to Open VLD? Do they think the N-VA has become too right-wing?

Livestream in Dutch here.
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« Reply #374 on: May 26, 2019, 08:54:44 am »

That's depressing. For those who don't know This is a party with historical apologists of Nazi collaboration in its ranks from its Vlaams Blok days and welcomed an anti-Semite apologist with open arms, not some startup right-wing populist movement railing against the establishment, the Left, etc. It seems the makeover they did did them a lot of good with Van Grieken.

But in Tongeren N-VA loses a lot to Open VLD instead of VB. Why would people switch from N-VA to Open VLD? Do they think the N-VA has become too right-wing?

The VLD mayor there is very popular.
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