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Question: Do you think Chez Nous will get seats?
#1
No, they won't get even 2,5% in Wallonia and Brussels  (what would happen accoding to recent polls)
 
#2
No, but they will get votes in the 2,5%-4,99% rango in Wallonia and/or Brussels
 
#3
No. They will pass the 5% threshold in Wallonia and/or Brussels, but somehow they won't get seats.
 
#4
Yes, they will get 1-2 seats
 
#5
Yes, they will get more than 2 seats
 
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Total Voters: 16

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« on: January 11, 2019, 11:06:28 AM »


For people who claim their culture to be superior that other cultures, the far right sure do like to cultivate an inferiority complex...


Supremacism always hides some inferiority complex, isn't it?
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2019, 05:33:46 PM »

Elections fédérales

PS 89%
Ecolo 83%
PTB 83%
CdH 71%
Défi 71%
MR 54%
PP 12%

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2020, 09:06:12 AM »
« Edited: May 25, 2020, 10:59:00 AM by Velasco »

Wait, how on Earth did the fascists from VB get to 24%?

Most likely because people are just fed up. Our politicans played house of cards at the peak of the crisis, and the N-VA's budget cuts program alongside De Wever's inability to tap into public sentiment during this crisis is costing his party dearly. VB's messaging is simple and they will always outflank the N-VA on every issue.

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Also, given that VB+N-VA are at 45% or so, any chance Flanders goes full Catalonia and actually tries to secede? I wonder what new Belgian resident Puigdemont thinks about it Tongue

The last thing the (sane) nationalists in Flanders want at this stage is a referendum, because then BHV comes back into play, and there's a very serious risk of them losing the referendum given the actual issue of Flemish independence is nothing like the Catalan issue, in that most people don't really care about it. Only 10% of N-VA voters actually vote N-VA specifically for decentralisation, and with VB its just there as another edgy policy but they litterally run lists in Brussels with francophones saying the important priority is getting rid of immigrants.


I imagine Puigdemont is in favour but given he was sort of driven out of Flanders by virtue of only speaking...French with them...he will continue to reside in Waterloo.



So does that mean that the nationalist strategy would be to shake the belgian state around enough that it kind of just falls apart without popular input?

Yes, the N-VA are very open about it. They want to make the Walloons want to proceed to state break up by having as hard a right-wing policy as possible, and also by defunding and stripping any federal power possible enough for it to just wither away.

Well, Puigdemont would like that Spain becomes in a rump state and the N-VA wants to weaken the Belgian state. So they have a lot in common, even though it's a tragedy that Puigdemont speaks French instead of Dutch language. As you say the situations in Flanders and Catalonia are different, but anyway their national independence projects have a common obstacle as the EU is opposing the split of member states. So Puigdemont and other Catalan nationalists are turning from Europeism to Euroscepticism, while I suppose Flemish nationalists have been always against a federal Europe (right?)
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2020, 01:19:54 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2020, 02:17:19 PM by Velasco »

In what concerns Spain the PNV still remains in that Europe of the Regions project, but Puigdemont is moving away from the pragmatism of the old CiU in every way possible. I guess the old Volksunie had more in common with the former in that respect

Out of curiosity, why Flemish nationalism is so right wing? Is there any kind of left wing Flemish nationalism? Was the Volskunie a 'social-christian' party like our traditional Basque nationalists?
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2020, 09:28:06 PM »



Volksunie was very secular, very ahead of its time in terms of social issues, very similar to Défi now, although it had a christian democratic wing that mostly sided with the N-VA when Volksunie split between SPIRIT and NVA. The lower clergy in Flanders has traditionally been flamingant and very right-wing since democracy began as opposed to the higher clergy which is estbalishmenty, Royalist, very tied to CD&V, the pillar and socially christian, although the lower clergy can vary (...)

Of course, I got confused. The CD&V is the social christian party. Thank you for the explanation about Flemish nationalism
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2020, 12:51:07 AM »

Would you say Belgium is better with or without government?
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2020, 05:59:48 AM »


Hell I'll even accept going back to the Netherlands. What a terrible strategic mistake our split was anyway.

Going back to the Netherlands would be problematic for the French speaking part of Belgium. On the other hand, Belgium has a reputation of being a country that gets along pretty well without a government. It's complicated...
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