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RINO Tom
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« on: March 28, 2017, 04:29:44 PM »

So Baker wouldn't win one of the most loyal Democratic states of all-time?  Shocking!  He'd still do a lot better than a generic Republican.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 09:11:58 AM »

I know this is a troll thread, but if Baker somehow won the nomination without changing his views, he'd probably lose states like GA and NC. This will never happen, though. A Republican like Charlie Baker isn't going to win a presidential election any time soon.

I'm not sure he'd lose those states.  It would depend highly on the Democrat he's facing, and I'm inclined to believe that even if he lost some Trump support in rural Georgia and North Carolina, he'd make up for it with near rural margins in the suburbs.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2017, 09:00:38 AM »

I tend to agree with my Democratic friends from MA.  I go Republican most of the time, and its safe for me to say Baker would get trounced just like all other Republicans on a national scale in Mass.  He's too moderate for most Republicans, and the Trump people up here are not big fans either.  In terms of personality, Jeb Bush would seem more outgoing than this guy, so I'm not sure he would have much of an appeal to younger voters.

Look, I'm not saying that Baker would even come close in MA, but let's not pretend like the MA GOP has some big problem with him.  He's VERY popular, and only mildly popular with Democrats; the GOPers up there like him a whole lot.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2017, 10:09:03 AM »

I know this is a troll thread, but if Baker somehow won the nomination without changing his views, he'd probably lose states like GA and NC. This will never happen, though. A Republican like Charlie Baker isn't going to win a presidential election any time soon.
It's not a troll thread. Baker could be the GOP nominee under the right circumstances.

I don't know if you've seen how rabid the GOP base actually is, but the fact that Ted Cruz and Donald Trump got over 70% of the vote (and people like Ben Carson also got non-negligible support) should tell you all you need to know about the chances Charlie Baker would have of ever winning a non-Massachusetts Republican primary.

I think he'd win more than the MA primary, though not many and depending on the details of the field.  I'm guessing you're more or less equating him with Kasich (who won just his home state of OH), but I don't think that's a valid comparison.  Two factors worked against Kasich: 1) He was not the clear establishment favorite at ANY point in the primaries (as McCain emerged to be and as Romney emerged to be), so he could neither coalesce moderate voters (who are still a significant portion of the electorate) nor financial support from donors.  2) Trump served as a catch-all candidate for anyone upset with the way Republican politicians were performing in office, and that frustration came from people of varying ideologies with a lot of different things they were mad about.  You could have someone like Fuzzy Bear, who often voted for Democrats, finally finding a "populist" enough Republican, or you could have someone like my dad who was pissed that the GOPers in Congress were compromising with Democrats on budget issues/not taking a stand and wanted fresh blood.  Those two voters are HARDLY in agreement on the issues, and both broke for Trump.  I'm still of the opinion that Trump's appeal was not to a specific (and more importantly lasting) voting bloc in the GOP, and it remains to be seen if a future candidate can repeat that performance ... there's only one Donald Trump, as he would gladly let you know.

I think Baker would likely win VT, MA, CT and RI, depending on primary dates.  If things broke his way and he was the only moderate-ish candidate left by Super Tuesday, he could eek out wins in states like Illinois or New York, too.
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