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« on: April 01, 2017, 09:20:15 PM »

What do you think the central campaign theme for 2018 will be? Personally, I think we need to make villains out of both Ryan and McConnell, as well as Donald Trump. We ought to take a page out of the Republicans' playbook: print up a zillion "Fire Paul Ryan" bumper stickers and have a big Fire Paul Ryan bus tour of campaign stops all across the country, just like Republicans did about Nancy Pelosi in 2010. If we're going to win, we're going to have to fight dirty.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2017, 09:38:25 PM »

It has been beyond disappointing how the Democrats have failed to villainize GOP leadership, especially McConnell over the years. 2018 is the put up or shut up moment for this party.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2017, 09:47:01 PM »

The message will be "Vote for us so the Republicans don't win".

They will then gain like 5 seats tops.
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2017, 09:51:52 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2017, 09:52:37 PM »

Forward change hope stronger togetherness

Too be fair, both parties LOOOOOOOOOVE platitudes.

Remember Mitt Romney's "Believe in America"?
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2017, 10:33:49 PM »

What do you think the central campaign theme for 2018 will be? Personally, I think we need to make villains out of both Ryan and McConnell, as well as Donald Trump. We ought to take a page out of the Republicans' playbook: print up a zillion "Fire Paul Ryan" bumper stickers and have a big Fire Paul Ryan bus tour of campaign stops all across the country, just like Republicans did about Nancy Pelosi in 2010. If we're going to win, we're going to have to fight dirty.
Please send this to the DNC or join the DNC or something
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2017, 10:42:05 PM »

Raise The Minimum wage, Protect Healthcare/Social Security, Protect the Environment, Rail against tax cuts for the rich, the wall, Ryan/Mitch/Trump, and increases to defense spending at the expense of popular social programs.

Also if Trump can't get anything done run against 8 years of a do-nothing congress.
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2017, 11:01:55 PM »

It has been beyond disappointing how the Democrats have failed to villainize GOP leadership, especially McConnell over the years. 2018 is the put up or shut up moment for this party.
Hard to villainise politicians for not doing rather than doing things. Now they have their opportunity.
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2017, 11:10:21 PM »

Not referring to any specific action, but it is worth mentioning that just because Republicans did [whatever] over the past 8 years on the road back to power doesn't mean it is automatically a smart or even viable idea. They made their own mistakes, and in the process of doing so helped make the political environment toxic as well.

Given how obsessed with power at any costs the Republican Party has become, I can't say I'm eager for my party to replicate their behavior in full.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 11:27:51 PM »

Medicare-for-All, $15/hr minimum wage, global warming, income inequality and terrible Republican leadership.

Basically the Sanders message. A progressive issues-oriented campaign that also points to the current GOP insanity.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 11:29:46 PM »

Ryan isn't as hated as Nancy Pelosi, painting him as a villain might work, but Fire Pelosi was a rallying cry for not just republicans but many independents, it may boost D turnout with a Fire Ryan movement but I dont think it would be as galvanizing
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 11:46:48 PM »

We suck less
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 11:52:21 PM »

Ryan isn't as hated as Nancy Pelosi, painting him as a villain might work, but Fire Pelosi was a rallying cry for not just republicans but many independents, it may boost D turnout with a Fire Ryan movement but I dont think it would be as galvanizing

Whipping up anger and hate work for the GOP but dont seem to work for liberals

Sure it does, it works all the time for liberals.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 11:56:32 PM »

"Trump is bad." That's basically all you need for a midterm.
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2017, 11:59:59 PM »

Ryan isn't as hated as Nancy Pelosi, painting him as a villain might work, but Fire Pelosi was a rallying cry for not just republicans but many independents, it may boost D turnout with a Fire Ryan movement but I dont think it would be as galvanizing

Whipping up anger and hate work for the GOP but dont seem to work for liberals

Sure it does, it works all the time for liberals.

Maybe on Facebook but not at the voting booth
yawn, all the time, 2006 is a great example, but Democrats frequently use anger and outrageous claims (just like republicans do) to drive voters to the voting booth.
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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2017, 12:16:17 AM »

Ryan isn't as hated as Nancy Pelosi, painting him as a villain might work, but Fire Pelosi was a rallying cry for not just republicans but many independents, it may boost D turnout with a Fire Ryan movement but I dont think it would be as galvanizing

Whipping up anger and hate work for the GOP but dont seem to work for liberals

Sure it does, it works all the time for liberals.

Maybe on Facebook but not at the voting booth
yawn, all the time, 2006 is a great example, but Democrats frequently use anger and outrageous claims (just like republicans do) to drive voters to the voting booth.


If they are smart about using outrageous claims, then Bush would have been impeached long back.

Anyways 2006, no1 required any anger, Bush was hated, his approvals were 26%, one of the worst in history !
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2017, 12:24:04 AM »

His approvals in 2006 were 38 at the time of the election, and in the low 40's in the months leading up to it (roughly mirroring where Trump is now). Please check your facts. Didn't hit the 20's til the recession.

This is kinda off-topic, but I wonder what would happen if the approvals were 38% but the disapprovals were somehow only at around 36 - 38% themselves, which everyone else being "unsure/no opinion."

Also, agree with your message idea. That seems like a good candidate.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2017, 12:25:57 AM »

They need to present a strong progressive message fighting for the little guy, Minimum Wage increase, Climate Change, expanding healthcare, education affordability, cheaper drug prices, etc. And they have to connect all the issues with the average middle & working class, connect it to the kitchen table issues. You don't have to have 1 central theme - Somewhere in a red rural state you could ask about a 10-12$ Min wage, in NY-CA you can ask for 15. Somewhere an expansion of Medicare or somewhere Medicare for all but it has to be a bold message which can tuned according to geography. But they have to hammer home the message & policy positions time & again with strong data & an emotional message. People should know the vision & where the Democrats stand on the issues.

You don't have to run an overtly negative campaign, the media is anyways after Trump's million gaffes & Trump himself is a disaster & is screwing up. You will have Super-pacs running negative & even Republicans fighting among each other. There is already a huge negative image & campaign building that.

Don't create an ugly fight which turns voters off - Give an alternate positive progressive message. And for God's sake be empathetic & authentic, people value that person cares about me & are emotionally more moved than by dry policy positions (& don't run robotic emotionless consultant honed people)
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2017, 12:36:51 AM »

You don't have to run an overtly negative campaign, the media is anyways after Trump's million gaffes & Trump himself is a disaster & is screwing up. You will have Super-pacs running negative & even Republicans fighting among each other. There is already a huge negative image & campaign building that.

Democrats surely need to make their positions known no matter what, but focusing more on that is more of a presidential strategy than a midterm one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/how-tylenol-and-advil-explain-the-dems-midterm-strategy/519012/

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imo, they are absolutely right. Midterms are referendums on the president, and Democrats can push policies, but what will truly move voters en masse is their opinions of the incumbent president and his or her party. Aside from this, there are other studies showing the affect of the voters opinion of the president on state-level races as well.
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2017, 12:36:55 AM »

Ryan isn't as hated as Nancy Pelosi, painting him as a villain might work, but Fire Pelosi was a rallying cry for not just republicans but many independents, it may boost D turnout with a Fire Ryan movement but I dont think it would be as galvanizing

Whipping up anger and hate work for the GOP but dont seem to work for liberals

Sure it does, it works all the time for liberals.

Maybe on Facebook but not at the voting booth
yawn, all the time, 2006 is a great example, but Democrats frequently use anger and outrageous claims (just like republicans do) to drive voters to the voting booth.


If they are smart about using outrageous claims, then Bush would have been impeached long back.

Anyways 2006, no1 required any anger, Bush was hated, his approvals were 26%, one of the worst in history !

His approvals in 2006 were 38 at the time of the election, and in the low 40's in the months leading up to it (roughly mirroring where Trump is now). Please check your facts. Didn't hit the 20's til the recession.

Yea you are right, I forgot. His approvals in Gallup varied from 33 to 38% in the 2 months in the lead up to the elections. I think other News outlets had him at 32-33% odd. His unfavorables were Super high (Higher than trump).

His net approval varied from -20 to -30 odd in late 2006 which only increased when the recession hit. An average of -25 is still absolutely terrible though.
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2017, 01:38:27 AM »

They're probably going to keep using the Republican playbook from the Obama years, and make their theme of 2018 "screw Trump." We'll see how that goes.
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2017, 09:14:19 PM »

"Trump is bad." That's basically all you need for 2016.

FTFY. You need something more than "Trump sucks". You need a vision.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2017, 12:12:39 AM »

Make America SANE Again.
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2017, 12:21:51 AM »

"Trump is bad." That's basically all you need for 2016.

FTFY. You need something more than "Trump sucks". You need a vision.

Not during the midterms you don't, midterms are almost always about accentuating the negative of the current administration. That being said, I think it would benefit the Democrats to focus on message tweaking and crafting a broader narrative as a long-term strategy, but if Trump has royally screwed the pooch by 2018, reminding the public how the the Trump administration is in bad need of a power check can carry the Democrats pretty far.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2017, 05:39:27 AM »

"Bring back responsibility" is probably going to be a compelling message after two years of erratic behavior by Trump, and that's the kind of message that can work in both suburban and rural areas where red state Dems need to win.

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