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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 03:21:59 PM »

There was piece on NPR this mourning about the Iranian election. They said it was close, but everything I can find seems to indicate the opposite. What would you say is the chance that Hassan Rouhani loses re-election?
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 04:07:31 PM »

Candidate | Party | Ideology

Hassan Rouhani | Moderation and Development Party | Pragmatism
Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf | Progress and Justice Population of Iran | Conservatism
Ebrahim Raisi | Combatant Clergy Association | Clericalism
Eshaq Jahangiri | Executives of Construction Party | Reformism
Mostafa Mir-Salim | Islamic Coalition Party | Islamism
Mostafa Hashemitaba | Executives of Construction Party | Reformism

What do these ideological labels mean in the context of Iranian politics (aside conservatism and reformism), especially "clericalism"? Aren't they all Islamists to one or another extent? And isn't it better to describe Rouhani as a reformist, at least moderate?
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2017, 09:40:38 AM »
« Edited: May 19, 2017, 09:46:13 AM by Chairman of the 2024 Trump campaign for Russian president »

Jahangiri dropped out and endorsed President Rouhani. Ghalibaf also dropped out and endorsed former Attorney-General Raisi.

This leaves only four candidates in the race: The moderate reformists Hassan Rouhani and Mostafa Hashemitaba, as well as the ultraconservatives Ebrahim Raisi and Mostafa Mir-Salim.

Rouhani and Raisi are the only ones who are considered to have an actual chance of winning though.


What do these ideological labels mean in the context of Iranian politics (aside conservatism and reformism), especially "clericalism"? Aren't they all Islamists to one or another extent? And isn't it better to describe Rouhani as a reformist, at least moderate?

All Iranian political parties are roughly divided into these two camps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Principlists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2017, 09:59:02 AM »

do we have any got english source with updates?

and yeah, i know about the local risks for free media. Tongue

important btw.....west-conducted polls have much higher rouhani numbers than those conducted by inner-iranian companies.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2017, 10:00:02 AM »
« Edited: May 19, 2017, 10:13:15 AM by Sorenroy »

The Iranian election is today.

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As of now, it is roughly 7:30 across all of Iran, meaning an hour and 30 minutes after when polls were supposed to close. In attempting to find a live map of the results, I ran (ha) across a news article stating that the results would come out all at once:

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Not exactly sure where we will be able to find the results when they do come out, but I imagine it will quickly get picked up in the news.


Edit: According to Tasnim News (and Google Translate), the elections were extended "until 19 tonight". That being said, it is already past 7:30, so if polls have closed, the specific numbers are yet to come.
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2017, 10:15:29 AM »

we only get some tidbits today, afaik (maybe if someone ...rouhani...was even close to 50%)...the final numbers are scheduled for....sunday lol.
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2017, 12:22:53 PM »

According to Wikipedia:

"No official count has been released as of yet. The Ministry of Interior will proceed to announce results gradually starting from 12:00AM IRT on the day following the elections."


That's in roughly two hours, but that statement is unsourced, so it could very well be wrong.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2017, 01:24:08 PM »

ABC says that polls will closed at 10:00 PM (50 minutes ago), but Rudaw says it was further extended to 11:00 PM.

Also, Wikipedia is showing oversea results for Australia, China, and New Zealand, but once again, no source is provided. Of the three countries reporting, Rouhani currently leads with 9,371 of the 9,510 valid votes.
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2017, 01:33:38 PM »


What do these ideological labels mean in the context of Iranian politics (aside conservatism and reformism), especially "clericalism"? Aren't they all Islamists to one or another extent? And isn't it better to describe Rouhani as a reformist, at least moderate?

All Iranian political parties are roughly divided into these two camps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Principlists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists

I know this :-). My question (which has been answered now) mostly was to which of these camps belong Raisi and Mir-Salim (whose ideologies were described as "clericalism" and "Islamism" respectively).
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 09:01:24 PM »

Any results?
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2017, 11:09:25 PM »


Besides the three countries I mentioned before, Singapore has been added to the Wikipedia list (287 of the 299 votes went to Rouhani).

According to Aljazeera, "Final results are expected within 24 hours of polls closing. The elections are also for city and village councils."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/iranians-cast-vote-presidential-election-170519052130053.html
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 11:48:11 PM »

With about half of the vote counted, Rouhani leads by 14.6 Million to 10.1 Million

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/iran-election-president-hassan-rouhani-takes-lead-170520042625946.html
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 11:49:53 PM »

That's good I suppose - Rouhani is about as good as we can ask for in Iran.
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2017, 01:33:51 AM »

That's good I suppose - Rouhani is about as good as we can ask for in Iran.

Yeah, that's relieving.
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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2017, 04:39:23 AM »

according to german newspapers, rouhani is the winner, with about 58% of the vote.
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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2017, 06:33:11 AM »

It's official: Rouhani has been reelected.
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2017, 06:43:56 AM »

Final results (among valid votes cast)Sad

58.8% Hassan Rouhani (23.55 million votes)
39.4% Ebrahim Raisi (15.79 million votes)
  1.8% Others

Turnout: 73.1% (41.22 million votes, out of 56.41 million eligible voters)
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2017, 06:55:57 AM »
« Edited: May 20, 2017, 06:57:57 AM by ApatheticAustrian »

ironically, one could say, that the more radical pro-radical-islam faction didn't win any iranian prez elections since khamenei himself and that was about 30 years ago.

even rafsanjani - who seemed pretty conservative during his presidency - was the more "moderate" candidate and ahmadinejad may be a pro-status quo authoritarian antisemite, but he wasn't the candidate of the regime and no man's idea of a religious zealot.

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2017, 09:40:55 AM »

It seems like a large victory from an America perspective but it's actually the smallest re-election victory in Iranian history.
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2017, 09:44:49 AM »

It seems like a large victory from an America perspective but it's actually the smallest re-election victory in Iranian history.


if you believe into the 2009 results, sure.

and the other ones never have had real opponents anyway, especially not possible successors to khamenei.

rouhani has outrun his polls by far.
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