UK General Election, June 8th 2017

[EnglishPete]

Theresa May buries Thatcherism


Tory Manifesto
https://issuu.com/conservativeparty/docs/ge2017_manifesto_a5_digital


First time since 1979 no classical liberal party running for office, New political era...

She's very good at portraying herself as a moderate. Remember her first speech as PM?

This was her first speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDyZ8trge2E

She's targeting working class Labour and UKIP voters,

Tory manifesto offered nothing to traditional middle class Tory voters, danger they wont show up to the polls and stay home come 8th June... Either she's taking them for granted or its a bold move

She's offering not being Jeremy Corbyn. His name gets mentioned a lot in Conservative election leaflets.

[parochial boy]

So, assuming, as looks increasingly likely, that the Lib Dems do as badly, or even worse, than 2015 and even lose a couple of seats, where do they go next? and what becomes of Tim Farron

After all, this was really their golden chance of a come back, and they seem to be blowing it completely. There can't be much hope for them going forward.

[Maxwell]

l.o.l. l.i.b.d.e.m.s.

[Blair]

FWIW the big worry at the moment is that if Labour get 33-34% we'll still lose up to 70+ seats, but we're be saddled with Corbyn for another year or two; as he'll proclaim he's managed to expand the vote

[Phony Moderate]

FWIW the big worry at the moment is that if Labour get 33-34% we'll still lose up to 70+ seats, but we're be saddled with Corbyn for another year or two; as he'll proclaim he's managed to expand the vote

Given that we might well be enjoying a 20-point plus lead in the polls in two years' time regardless of who is leader, he could be around for longer than that.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I mean, it's a rehash of what she said when she first took the job. For swing voters, it's probably a much better look to be this brand of moderate than the smug socially liberal Thatcherism of Cameron's crew.

It is quite funny how a cap on energy bills is no longer a Stalinist diktat of Ed Marxiband though.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Theresa May wants draconian control over the Internet. The whole thing is a disaster. A vote for the Conservative party is a vote for fascism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html

[Blair]

FWIW the big worry at the moment is that if Labour get 33-34% we'll still lose up to 70+ seats, but we're be saddled with Corbyn for another year or two; as he'll proclaim he's managed to expand the vote

Given that we might well be enjoying a 20-point plus lead in the polls in two years' time regardless of who is leader, he could be around for longer than that.

Unless we get someone who can beat May on leadership, and economic competence we're not going to translate the 20 point (See Miliband 2012) However there's very few people in the PLP who could do that

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Only 2 of the 10 largest papers favor the Labour party over the Tories.

[Blair]

It's a stupid thing when you have parties running for Westminster elections, then talking about devolved issues- Sturgeon did it in the TV debate last night, and in 2015- half the issues she complains about can be fixed at the Scottish level

[Hnv1]

Well my Isidewith results dramatically shifted from 2015

LD-69%
Labour-64%
SNP-61%
PC-58%
Tory-57%
Green-54%
Ukip.-46%

Not sure why they still have the BNP, as I recall them being deleted from the party list

[Devout Centrist]

"This stance was determined by analyzing the answers of voters that have said they most identify with this political party"

LOL Isidewith

[Boston Bread]

Labour - 80%
PC - 74%
LD - 73%
SNP - 73%
Green - 66%
Tory - 57%
UKIP -50%

[Associate Justice PiT]

Only 2 of the 10 largest papers favor the Labour party over the Tories.

     Given the utter disaster Labour's campaign has been, the Mirror appears to be some sort of propaganda arm for the Labour Party.

[Tintrlvr]

Only 2 of the 10 largest papers favor the Labour party over the Tories.

     Given the utter disaster Labour's campaign has been, the Mirror appears to be some sort of propaganda arm for the Labour Party.

Yes, the Mirror is more or less the unofficial publishing arm of the Labour Party and has been since WWII.

[Phony Moderate]

Only 2 of the 10 largest papers favor the Labour party over the Tories.

     Given the utter disaster Labour's campaign has been, the Mirror appears to be some sort of propaganda arm for the Labour Party.

The campaign (and most in the party would acknowledge this) hasn't been that bad at all - Abbott's gaffe seems more like a sore thumb now. Corbyn, McDonnell and Thornberry (the other three holds of shadow Great Offices) have all conducted themselves quite well thus far. At the very least we have positioned ourselves as the main alternative to the Tories. Which still might mean we go down to 150 seats or whatever but still.

[EnglishPete]

Only 2 of the 10 largest papers favor the Labour party over the Tories.

     Given the utter disaster Labour's campaign has been, the Mirror appears to be some sort of propaganda arm for the Labour Party.

Yes, the Mirror is more or less the unofficial publishing arm of the Labour Party and has been since WWII.

Yes indeed. And the Daily Mail has largely played the same role for the Conservative Party over the same period.

[DC Al Fine]

Really? I would have guessed the Torygraph. Isn't the Daily Mail the paper of angry old men?

[ApatheticAustrian]

aren't the times, the sun, the dm and the torygraph pro-tories nearly all the time? (yaya, the sun was pro-blair, i know)

[vileplume]

Really? I would have guessed the Torygraph. Isn't the Daily Mail the paper of angry old men?

No the Daily Mail is the only major paper that has a majority female readership. Your typical Daily Mail reader is a fairly affluent, Conservative voting, middle age, middle class woman who lives somewhere in the Home Counties.

Plus I think the Mail did back Labour in '97 whereas the Telegraph has always backed the Tories.

[Blair]

Mail didn't back Labour in 1997; although Gordon Brown became very close to Paul Dacre (their editor) and there were mutterings that they would have backed him over Cameron in '07.

The Mirror is the unofficial propaganda, whilst the New Statesmen is the in house press, and is by far the best paper for Labour politics.

Out of the papers on that list the Financial Times, the Independent and the Guardian are the only papers who have an endorsement that isn't baked. (Along with the Sunday Times)

[thumb21]

My results from isidewith:

65% Labour
62% PC
60% Lib Dem
59% Green
58% SNP
56% Sinn Fein
56% UKIP
55% DUP
50% Conservative

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

An American who would be entirely happy with Labour (at least, according to iSideWith)

LAB: 78%
LIB: 72%
CON: 37%
UKIP: 32%

I would be interested to see (quantitatively) how I measured with the SNP.

[jaichind]

CON      57
UKIP     53
DUP      44
BNP      38
LIB       36
SF        32
PC        30
LAB      30
Green    30
SNP       28

[YL]

I don't see how that thing can judge my closeness to the DUP since it didn't ask me what I think of the Pope or whether I believe the Earth was created 6000 years ago.

(Lab, Green, SF, LD, Plaid, SNP all scored highly, in that order but with little difference between them, then a big gap to DUP, New UKIPTories, UKIP, BNP.)