Alabama Megathread: Bombshell allegations

[Alabama_Indy10]

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I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

I know, right?? Comparing Theocrats to Fascists - how offensive and absurd!

Here's comes the petty name calling again.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

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I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

I know, right?? Comparing Theocrats to Fascists - how offensive and absurd!

Here's comes the petty name calling again.

Remember that according to Atlas standards America was a Theocracy a few decades ago.

[Mr. Reactionary]

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I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

I know, right?? Comparing Theocrats to Fascists - how offensive and absurd!

Here's comes the petty name calling again.

Remember that according to Atlas standards America was a Theocracy a few decades ago.

And also that being mean is literally fascism because fascists were mean.

[JA]

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I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

I know, right?? Comparing Theocrats to Fascists - how offensive and absurd!

Here's comes the petty name calling again.

Remember that according to Atlas standards America was a Theocracy a few decades ago.

And also that being mean is literally fascism because fascists were mean.

Nah, America was never a Theocracy as it was never ruled by ecclesiastical authorities claiming to interpret God's laws. However, the intimate relationship between Protestant Christianity and the American government, at all levels, and the frequent reliance upon Protestant theology and Evangelical interpretations of Christian religious texts to justify and promote particular laws, and condone or condemn specific behaviors and peoples has a long (and often dark) history in America. Although that does not fit the technical definition of theocracy, the loosest interpretation of that term can serve as a stand-in for a lack of a better word. People like ExtremeConservative, along with future Senator Moore, would like to rebuild that ugly tradition in America of Protestant dominance of America using the powers of the government to impose their absurd vision upon us all.

As for Fascism supposedly being a term thrown about and used to slander anyone who's "mean," that's certainly not how I use it. Fascism is, essentially, albeit not technically, the dehumanization of the "other" and the desire to use force (social, physical, political, or military) to oppress or exploit those who've been dehumanized. The way folks like Bannon speak of Muslims, undocumented immigrants, and minorities in general (such as claims that "Western civilization" is superior and America's historic demographic majority must be maintained) is a form of dehumanization. Thus, they are Fascists, and I will label them as such.

[Santander]

claims that "Western civilization" is superior

Of course it is.

[Mr. Reactionary]

claims that "Western civilization" is superior

Of course it is.

I always get amused by the types who claim its a big no no and is evil ethnocentrism to tout western civilization, even in things like science and medicine. Because apparently grinding up endangered rhino horns to cure impotency is just as valid as taking viagra.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

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I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

I know, right?? Comparing Theocrats to Fascists - how offensive and absurd!

Here's comes the petty name calling again.

Remember that according to Atlas standards America was a Theocracy a few decades ago.

And also that being mean is literally fascism because fascists were mean.

Actually, a Fascist is either a person in close proximity to a right-wing event or a trash can.

[Kamala]

Man, you two sure love defending fascists.

[Blackacre]

A Strange internal poll found that McConnell's favorability was just 10% among AL Republicans.

https://twitter.com/arogdc/status/913119533094903810

If Jones could somehow tie Moore to McConnell and the Republican establishment, he could stand to gain bigly.

Except that'll be very difficult because of Luther Strange.

The best I can do is tie Moore to the likes of Cruz and Paul, and tie THEM to McConnell. As a citation, use the skinny repeal vote. The message being that no matter how outsidery they seem, in the end they're going to be footsoldiers for McConnell.

Or make an argument that Jones would be much more likely to buck his party leadership, work in the center, and reach across the isle. IDK how good Manchin's name recognition is in AL, but we could have him campaign for Jones, on the basis that he's also a conservative dem in a red state who seems to be doing a good job

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

claims that "Western civilization" is superior

Of course it is.

In 2017 that is debatable.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Returning to the topic at hand (you know, the actual Alabama Senate race):

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[mcmikk]

A Strange internal poll found that McConnell's favorability was just 10% among AL Republicans.

https://twitter.com/arogdc/status/913119533094903810

If Jones could somehow tie Moore to McConnell and the Republican establishment, he could stand to gain bigly.

Except that'll be very difficult because of Luther Strange.

The best I can do is tie Moore to the likes of Cruz and Paul, and tie THEM to McConnell. As a citation, use the skinny repeal vote. The message being that no matter how outsidery they seem, in the end they're going to be footsoldiers for McConnell.

Or make an argument that Jones would be much more likely to buck his party leadership, work in the center, and reach across the isle. IDK how good Manchin's name recognition is in AL, but we could have him campaign for Jones, on the basis that he's also a conservative dem in a red state who seems to be doing a good job

[PragmaticPopulist]

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I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

You do realize that Bannon's ideology fits North Alabama almost perfectly?

Santander's actually got an interesting point. Northern Alabama was one of the last parts of the rural south to shake off its Democratic tradition due to the TVA. Bannon would probably want to keep it public, like most other Republicans in the area seem to.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

A Strange internal poll found that McConnell's favorability was just 10% among AL Republicans.

https://twitter.com/arogdc/status/913119533094903810

If Jones could somehow tie Moore to McConnell and the Republican establishment, he could stand to gain bigly.

Except that'll be very difficult because of Luther Strange.

The best I can do is tie Moore to the likes of Cruz and Paul, and tie THEM to McConnell. As a citation, use the skinny repeal vote. The message being that no matter how outsidery they seem, in the end they're going to be footsoldiers for McConnell.

Or make an argument that Jones would be much more likely to buck his party leadership, work in the center, and reach across the isle. IDK how good Manchin's name recognition is in AL, but we could have him campaign for Jones, on the basis that he's also a conservative dem in a red state who seems to be doing a good job

Jones is not remotely a conservative.  His only chance of winning is hoping somehow Moore pisses off enough people in his party that they stay home.

[Alabama_Indy10]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

You do realize that Bannon's ideology fits North Alabama almost perfectly?

Santander's actually got an interesting point. Northern Alabama was one of the last parts of the rural south to shake off its Democratic tradition due to the TVA. Bannon would probably want to keep it public, like most other Republicans in the area seem to.

I live in North Alabama.. There are a lot of older voters who still vote straight D

[kyc0705]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

You do realize that Bannon's ideology fits North Alabama almost perfectly?

Santander's actually got an interesting point. Northern Alabama was one of the last parts of the rural south to shake off its Democratic tradition due to the TVA. Bannon would probably want to keep it public, like most other Republicans in the area seem to.

I live in North Alabama.. There are a lot of older voters who still vote straight D

How much of the modern Democratic Party do they actually approve of? Do they reconcile the disparity or is just a kind of traditional habit?

[Alabama_Indy10]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

I mean, he ain't wrong.

Southern populism and conservatism were never, ever meant to be on the same side.  Glad you guys are finally realizing it.

I HATE that Steve Bannon is supporting from Roy Moore because it detracts from Moore's message and makes people equate him with Bannonist factions.

-Moore's base is deeply religious, pro-life, very conservative on issues of family, marriage, and sexuality, and generally votes on Christian conservative values

-Bannon's base is largely irreligious, many pro-abortion for eugenic reasons, indifferent to liberal on issues of marriage and sexuality, and generally vote on restricting trade and stopping immiration.

We Moore Republicans are not the Bannon Republicans, and I wish people would stop making that false comparison!

You do realize that Bannon's ideology fits North Alabama almost perfectly?

Santander's actually got an interesting point. Northern Alabama was one of the last parts of the rural south to shake off its Democratic tradition due to the TVA. Bannon would probably want to keep it public, like most other Republicans in the area seem to.

I live in North Alabama.. There are a lot of older voters who still vote straight D

How much of the modern Democratic Party do they actually approve of? Do they reconcile the disparity or is just a kind of traditional habit?

I believe it's more of a habit because these people, for the most part, are very culturally conservative, just like the rest of the people around here who vote Republican.

[Cashew]

Well that was nice while it lasted.

[GlobeSoc]

Well that was nice while it lasted.

damnit

[The Other Castro]

Well that was nice while it lasted.

Pretty misleading headline, he didn't say that there should be no restrictions.

[Maxwell]

what a great dude! full support!

But seriously this fits his profile - principled person.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Well that was nice while it lasted.

While this is a very disappointing stance, a literal piece of garbage is better than Moore, and I hope Alabama voters recongize that.

[Anna Komnene]

It's not like he's been shy about his being pro choice on his website. Tbh, this election was never about Jones somehow winning over mythical Alabama swing voters. It's all about turnout in a December off year election. The only way Jones wins is if dems turn out and republicans stay home. Maybe being strongly pro choice will be a motivating factor for AL dems.

[Cashew]

Well that was nice while it lasted.

Pretty misleading headline, he didn't say that there should be no restrictions.

He refused to specify any restrictions when asked however, which is almost the same thing, especially in the eyes of the average Alabama voter.

Well that was nice while it lasted.

While this is a very disappointing stance, a literal piece of garbage is better than Moore, and I hope Alabama voters recongize that.

Agreed, although I still wish Alabama Democrats were more independent, it's not like they have anything left to lose anyway.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

It's not like he's been shy about his being pro choice on his website. Tbh, this election was never about Jones somehow winning over mythical Alabama swing voters. It's all about turnout in a December off year election. The only way Jones wins is if dems turn out and republicans stay home. Maybe being strongly pro choice will be a motivating factor for AL dems.

I haven't seen polling of Alabama on Abortion, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's like Louisiana, where even the state democratic establishment is well to the right of the national democratic platform.