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Emmanuel Macron/Nick Clegg/Renhō(Unity Democratic Alliance)
 
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Bernie Sanders/Jeremy Corbyn/Sonia Gandhi(Democratic Left)
 
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Marine Le Pen/Virginia Raggi/Cristina Fernández de Kirchner(Right Nationalist Democracy)
 
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António Costa/Tsai Ing-wen/Choo Mi-ae(Liberal Devolution)
 
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Vladimir Putin/Renato Usatîi/Vladimir Zhirinovsky(Central Commune Bloc)
 
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Jean-Luc Mélenchon/Zinaida Greceanîi/Lidia Yermoshina(Federal Alliance)
 
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Nicola Sturgeon/Baggio Leung/Pierre Karl Péladeau(Autonomous-Independence United)
 
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« on: April 25, 2017, 04:01:28 PM »

Who do you vote for in this election?

I may type up a description of each party in a bit.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2017, 04:27:59 PM »

Easily Unity Democratic Alliance, overall. But the choices seem a bit too France-centric.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2017, 05:11:36 PM »

UDA, by far.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2017, 09:03:27 PM »

Seems pretty Euro-centric, but hey, so is real world politics! Cool nonetheless!
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 05:02:08 AM »

Kirchner as a "right"?

Lol.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 05:57:38 AM »
« Edited: April 26, 2017, 02:03:29 PM by Eternal Sun Of Atlas »

Who on earth, puts Krichner, when she leans to the left in latin american politics, with Le Pen, and even Raggi with Le Pen.

Who on earth, puts Gandhi with Corbyn and Sanders, and even Sanders with Corbyn, though those two could feasibly be together.

Who on earth, puts Greceanîi and Yermoshina with Melenchon. Since you know, MELENCHON is NOT COMPARABLE TO EITHER TWO, in terms of values set, and ideological outlook, especially Melenchon with Yermoshina.

Who on earth, puts Sturegon and Lueng together?
 
Putting Usatîi with Putin and Zhirinovsky, is also iffy, while they are similar, they would probably never be in one political grouping.



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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2017, 04:30:29 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 08:05:31 PM »

Unless you wanted 12+ parties, this is what a UN with international power would look like. I thought of making an African Union sort of alliance, but I decided that the AU could have its own elections.

All of them make sense on a broad scale. Kirchner, Le Pen, and Raggi are all nationalistic and populists to some extent. The RND is obviously mostly right wing, but also includes left-populists who like Melenchon but dislike his party's pro-Russian stance.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 11:57:34 AM »

Many of these options are bizarre.

Only the following ones seem to have clear ideologies:
UDA - social liberalism
DL - social democracy (although Sanders and especially Corbyn are way to the left of an average social democrat and Gandhi is to the right)
AIU - autonomism/secessionism

LD seems to be just another mainstream social liberal or moderate social democratic party, so it's redundant.

CCB, I guess, supposed to be a pro-Russian/pro-Putin party (though if Putin actually was in charge of it, he wouldn't choose someone as insane as Zhirinovsky), being pro-Russian isn't an ideology but at least there is some logic.

RND and FA just don't make sense in their current shape.

Neither M5S nor Kirchner are nationalist, at least in the same sense Le Pen is nationalist, and they are definitely not right-wing; and while FN and M5S can cooperate on the European level, I don't know what common goal they can share with each other and with Kirchner in the UN.

FA, I presume, is a party for "authoritarian leftists", but actually Mélenchon would better fit into DL (instead of Gandhi), Zinaida Greceanîi would much better fit into CCB and Yermoshina hardly can be described as a leftist at all.

Needless to mention the options lack conservative, Christian democratic and Islamist parties.

And choices are not only France-centric but also ridiculously Moldova-centric (2 candidates from such a tiny country), and a total absence of politicians from mainland China looks strange.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 12:03:19 PM »

The RND is obviously mostly right wing, but also includes left-populists who like Melenchon but dislike his party's pro-Russian stance.

So RND includes leftists who don't join Federal Alliance because of Melenchon's supposedly pro-Russian stance but OK with Le Pen's pro-Russian stance?!
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 07:05:06 PM »

The RND is obviously mostly right wing, but also includes left-populists who like Melenchon but dislike his party's pro-Russian stance.

So RND includes leftists who don't join Federal Alliance because of Melenchon's supposedly pro-Russian stance but OK with Le Pen's pro-Russian stance?!

Le Pen is not a blatant Putinist, and her allies don't include literal puppets of Putin.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 09:06:04 PM »

Why do you think Mélenchon is more blatant Putinist than Le Pen? I think most people would say the opposite: that Le Pen is more blatant.
By the way, M5S and Kirchners are also quite pro-Russian.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 11:15:56 PM »

Why do you think Mélenchon is more blatant Putinist than Le Pen? I think most people would say the opposite: that Le Pen is more blatant.
By the way, M5S and Kirchners are also quite pro-Russian.

Kirchner and Raggi are nowhere near as pro-Russia/Putin as Mélenchon's allies. I have no idea where you get that idea from.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2017, 08:06:57 PM »

Why do you think Mélenchon is more blatant Putinist than Le Pen? I think most people would say the opposite: that Le Pen is more blatant.
By the way, M5S and Kirchners are also quite pro-Russian.

Kirchner and Raggi are nowhere near as pro-Russia/Putin as Mélenchon's allies. I have no idea where you get that idea from.

Cristina was very close with Russia and its allies, that being said I know nothing of the two other candidates​ on Melenchon's list
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2017, 08:53:57 PM »

UDA, only because of Corbyn's presence in the Democratic Left. If someone like, say, Martin Schulz or Pablo Iglesias replaced him, I'd support the DL.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2017, 11:48:07 AM »

Democratic Left, easily
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2017, 06:34:10 AM »

Pierre Karl Péladeau Huh What the f*** is this sh** ? He was never relevant, and certainly isn't anymore.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2017, 04:01:11 PM »

There are a lot of persons of little relevance on these lists: Renato Usatîi is a mayor of a city of 100 thousand people, and this is the most significant office he ever occupied; Lidia Yermoshina hardly can be described as a politician at all: she is just a head of electoral commission of Belarus.

But we know nothing about the timeline where this election happens, so in theory anything is possible.
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2017, 12:59:45 PM »

Why do you think Mélenchon is more blatant Putinist than Le Pen? I think most people would say the opposite: that Le Pen is more blatant.
By the way, M5S and Kirchners are also quite pro-Russian.

Kirchner and Raggi are nowhere near as pro-Russia/Putin as Mélenchon's allies. I have no idea where you get that idea from.

Cristina was very close with Russia and its allies, that being said I know nothing of the two other candidates​ on Melenchon's list

The other two are literally puppets of Putin in countries/areas he has great influence in.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2017, 08:53:36 PM »

LOL at Kirchner being a "right-winger."
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2017, 09:38:31 PM »

Let me reiterate: until recently, it was mostly focused on being right wing before becoming more populist. Le Pen has recruited the other two to expand the nationalist wing over the conservative wing.
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2017, 02:39:22 PM »

IMO good tickets for this election and each of the parties (doing 2 politicians only though) could be:

Unity Democratic Alliance: Guy Verhofstadt/Barack Obama

Democratic Left: Alexis Tsipras/Rafael Correa

Right Nationalist Democracy: Donald Trump/Vladimir Putin

Liberal Devolution (would probably need another name btw): Antonio Costa/Michelle Bachelet

Central Commune Bloc endorses Right Nationalist Democracy (IMO if there are elections for something like this it doesn't make sense for overtly dictatorial parties to exist)

Federal Alliance endorses Democratic Left

Autonomous Independence bloc doesn't run.

There should also be a mainstream right party IMO. A possible candidate could be Angela Merkel/Stephen Harper

Also a couple traditionalist/religious parties.

Then again it's not like something like this topic would ever happen, at least in my lifetime.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 03:12:49 PM »

UDA by ten miles.
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2017, 11:56:31 PM »

DL or FA. I don't want Macron in control of anything.

But it does seem strange that three of members are candidates in the recent French presidential election.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2017, 07:27:05 PM »

 DL for me, I see myself as somewhere between Corbyn and Sanders, although Sonia Ghandi is probably better in Macron's Party as a center left influence. Maybe she's there to balance out Corbyn's more radical ideas, I guess.
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