GOP will fund Planned Parenthood in budget deal

[OSR stands with Israel]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or we want you to not filibuster tax reform or welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

Planned Parenthood is a nonstarter, that's why. They simply don't have any leverage when it comes to this issue.

then the dems will agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending.

[Confused Democrat]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or we want you to not filibuster tax reform or welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

Planned Parenthood is a nonstarter, that's why. They simply don't have any leverage when it comes to this issue.

then the dems will agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending.

Why on earth would Democrats agree to that?

[The_Doctor]

Democrats had the leverage because House Republicans couldn't pass it on their own. So of course the GOP caved.

Why on Planned Parenthood and the Wall?

Because 1.) Abortion, for all the pro-life rhetoric, is not a hill the party wants to die on. They know a majority of white women voted Republican and a segment of them are pro-choice. So the GOP will do restrictions but stuff like PP are going to be harder. And no. Roberts will remain a pro - choice vote if the Court ever came close to overturning Roe. 2.) The wall hurts the Republican Party among the fastest growing bloc so of course the GOP swapped it out for more border security.

The leadership made the calculations to keep the Republican voting bloc together. It wasn't a particularly hard sell from the Dems most likely.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or we want you to not filibuster tax reform or welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

Planned Parenthood is a nonstarter, that's why. They simply don't have any leverage when it comes to this issue.

then the dems will agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending.

Why on earth would Democrats agree to that?

Cause that deal will be broadcasted on live tv and they should say we have the votes to keep government open , but if dems dont take this deal and filibuster they will shutdown the gov

[Virginiá]

Cause that deal will be broadcasted on live tv and they should say we have the votes to keep government open , but if dems dont take this deal and filibuster they will shutdown the gov

Huh? But that assumes that the public would support it, otherwise Democrats refusing this deal would just be defending the public's interest, which I'm sure will be the case once Democrats make it known what stands to be lost due to such huge budget cuts. What you're saying isn't new, either. It's not like various Congressmen don't try and make their ultimatums for their support known via the media. It just doesn't work because there is usually no leverage to be had on the part of the people making demands.

I can't help but feel like you're trolling.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Cause that deal will be broadcasted on live tv and they should say we have the votes to keep government open , but if dems dont take this deal and filibuster they will shutdown the gov

Huh? But that assumes that the public would support it, otherwise Democrats refusing this deal would just be defending the public's interest, which I'm sure will be the case once Democrats make it known what stands to be lost due to such huge budget cuts. What you're saying isn't new, either. It's not like various Congressmen don't try and make their ultimatums for their support known via the media. It just doesn't work because there is usually no leverage to be had on the part of the people making demands.

I can't help but feel like you're trolling.

i would offer 75 billion dollars to be cut in defense spending as well as 70 billion in domestic spending.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

But, why did we compromise with the Democrats at all?  We have majorities in both chambers- there is no reason to give murderers money to murder more people!  I'm disgusted!  Maybe we can get a coalition of the far-right (acting for the right reasons) and the far-left (acting for the wrong reasons) to stop this thing, but I am devastated right now.

You know how for a long time conservatives loved to say we were a "republic, not a democracy".

Well this is what that means in action. That knife cuts both ways.

The system is designed to thwart the majority party to the point of watering down the proposed agenda and therefore ensuring stability and thereby enshrining institutional stability.

Ironically, if the far right was more cooperative, Republicans probably could have extracted more in the negotiations in the Senate. However, Republicans have 239 seats and yet needed to come cap in hand to Nancy Pelosi for votes because there are 40 to 60 Republicans who prefer to vote no on everything. Perhaps they are shooting the Republican party in feet with a shotgun for the "right reasons", but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what their reasons are, they are still blowing their own feet off with a shotgun.

Kind of hard to get anywhere without feet. Including protecting the unborn.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I realize that as somebody who's strongly left-wing on almost everything except abortion I'm not the right person to be pointing this out, but does it occur to anybody else as cause for concern that a private organization, any one private organization, is as much of a political shibboleth/sacred cow as Planned Parenthood is? Even accepting that they play as irreplaceable a role in American health care as they represent themselves as playing, surely it doesn't say anything good about our society that that's the case.

[Confused Democrat]

I realize that as somebody who's strongly left-wing on almost everything except abortion I'm not the right person to be pointing this out, but does it occur to anybody else as cause for concern that a private organization, any one private organization, is as much of a political shibboleth/sacred cow as Planned Parenthood is? Even accepting that they play as irreplaceable a role in American health care as they represent themselves as playing, surely it doesn't say anything good about our society that that's the case.

It's a depraved political ploy perpetrated by Republicans in order to rile up their pro-life base.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I realize that as somebody who's strongly left-wing on almost everything except abortion I'm not the right person to be pointing this out, but does it occur to anybody else as cause for concern that a private organization, any one private organization, is as much of a political shibboleth/sacred cow as Planned Parenthood is? Even accepting that they play as irreplaceable a role in American health care as they represent themselves as playing, surely it doesn't say anything good about our society that that's the case.

It's a depraved political ploy perpetrated by Republicans in order to rile up their pro-life base.

That wasn't what I was asking. My point was that a gynecological provider being too big to fail doesn't strike me as any more desirable than a bank being too big to fail. (Of course, the problem here is mostly if not entirely due to right-wing health care policy.)

[MasterJedi]

But, why did we compromise with the Democrats at all?  We have majorities in both chambers- there is no reason to give murderers money to murder more people!  I'm disgusted!  Maybe we can get a coalition of the far-right (acting for the right reasons) and the far-left (acting for the wrong reasons) to stop this thing, but I am devastated right now.

Because the tea party and far right in the party are deranged. They will vote no for anything that isn't completely sh**t for most of the country and thus constrain the party to have to work with the left to get anything done. Purge the tea party/far right and you might get more done.

[heatcharger]

But, why did we compromise with the Democrats at all?  We have majorities in both chambers- there is no reason to give murderers money to murder more people!  I'm disgusted!  Maybe we can get a coalition of the far-right (acting for the right reasons) and the far-left (acting for the wrong reasons) to stop this thing, but I am devastated right now.

It's completely unsurprising that you don't know how the government works.

[publicunofficial]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or  dont filibuster tax reform and welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

You're like the Republican version of the liberal who thinks everything works like The West Wing.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or  dont filibuster tax reform and welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

You're like the Republican version of the liberal who thinks everything works like The West Wing.

the whole point is to prove to the American people the Dems wont compromise one bit on spending and tell them if they want to filibuster fine but the American people will know it is their filibuster what shut the government down.

[The_Doctor]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or  dont filibuster tax reform and welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

You're like the Republican version of the liberal who thinks everything works like The West Wing.

the whole point is to prove to the American people the Dems wont compromise one bit on spending and tell them if they want to filibuster fine but the American people will know it is their filibuster what shut the government down.

Nobody cares.

The Republicans control the government. Everything the GOP does is on the GOP, not the Democrats. The average voter cannot hold in their brains for longer than 5 seconds that the Democrats can filibuster things in the Senate or that the radicals in the House force the leadership to negotiate with the Democrats. Go on, write an ad saying "Senate Democrats filibustered ..." and see how the traction on that is.

Ergo the Democratic minority have no, zip, zero, nay, nada reason to cooperate or help the GOP. They have all the political reasons in the world to obstruct and force the GOP to work with them (that's their leverage).

As for the unborn, the GOP has been conning their base on abortion for a generation now. And I say that as someone who wants abortion banned except to save the mother's life and would support defunding PP.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or we want you to not filibuster tax reform or welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

Planned Parenthood is a nonstarter, that's why. They simply don't have any leverage when it comes to this issue.

then the dems will agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending.

Why on earth would Democrats agree to that?

Cause that deal will be broadcasted on live tv and they should say we have the votes to keep government open , but if dems dont take this deal and filibuster they will shutdown the gov

Good God, you really don't know anything do you? Your lack of a strident understanding of how policymaking works is such low-hanging fruit that it makes it hard to read these threads without stopping just to remind you that what you're saying makes literally zero sense.

Why would Democrats ever agree to that huge of a spending cut, and why would you think the public would be angry at them for not doing it? If the GOP was so stubborn in asking for such a huge spending cut all at once and the Democrats said no, all they would need to say on "live tv" is that such a huge spending cut would damage the functions of our government and wouldn't be worth the fight. The GOP did not lose the election for shutting down the government during Obama's term, remember?

Your assumption that the public would just rally behind Trump if the Democrats refused to slash and burn such a huge chunk of our budget demonstrates a real missing link between what you think will happen and what actually happens.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or  dont filibuster tax reform and welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

You're like the Republican version of the liberal who thinks everything works like The West Wing.

the whole point is to prove to the American people the Dems wont compromise one bit on spending and tell them if they want to filibuster fine but the American people will know it is their filibuster what shut the government down.

Nobody cares.

The Republicans control the government. Everything the GOP does is on the GOP, not the Democrats. The average voter cannot hold in their brains for longer than 5 seconds that the Democrats can filibuster things in the Senate or that the radicals in the House force the leadership to negotiate with the Democrats. Go on, write an ad saying "Senate Democrats filibustered ..." and see how the traction on that is.

Ergo the Democratic minority have no, zip, zero, nay, nada reason to cooperate or help the GOP. They have all the political reasons in the world to obstruct and force the GOP to work with them (that's their leverage).

As for the unborn, the GOP has been conning their base on abortion for a generation now. And I say that as someone who wants abortion banned except to save the mother's life and would support defunding PP.

It's not just the GOP doing the conning. "Right to life" propaganda is an industry. (With ties to the GOP, yes.) That's why you see coverage of things like late-term abortion and fetal tissue as major issues:  the right to life propagandists need some outrage to drive their money-mill.

[they don't love you like i love you]

So much winning!

[Person Man]

Y'all know what I'm gonna say...

lol what cucks

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or  dont filibuster tax reform and welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

You're like the Republican version of the liberal who thinks everything works like The West Wing.

the whole point is to prove to the American people the Dems wont compromise one bit on spending and tell them if they want to filibuster fine but the American people will know it is their filibuster what shut the government down.

Nobody cares.

The Republicans control the government. Everything the GOP does is on the GOP, not the Democrats. The average voter cannot hold in their brains for longer than 5 seconds that the Democrats can filibuster things in the Senate or that the radicals in the House force the leadership to negotiate with the Democrats. Go on, write an ad saying "Senate Democrats filibustered ..." and see how the traction on that is.

Ergo the Democratic minority have no, zip, zero, nay, nada reason to cooperate or help the GOP. They have all the political reasons in the world to obstruct and force the GOP to work with them (that's their leverage).

As for the unborn, the GOP has been conning their base on abortion for a generation now. And I say that as someone who wants abortion banned except to save the mother's life and would support defunding PP.

If that were true, wouldn't Democrats have been blamed for the 2013 shutdown?

[Sbane]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or  dont filibuster tax reform and welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

You're like the Republican version of the liberal who thinks everything works like The West Wing.

the whole point is to prove to the American people the Dems wont compromise one bit on spending and tell them if they want to filibuster fine but the American people will know it is their filibuster what shut the government down.

Nobody cares.

The Republicans control the government. Everything the GOP does is on the GOP, not the Democrats. The average voter cannot hold in their brains for longer than 5 seconds that the Democrats can filibuster things in the Senate or that the radicals in the House force the leadership to negotiate with the Democrats. Go on, write an ad saying "Senate Democrats filibustered ..." and see how the traction on that is.

Ergo the Democratic minority have no, zip, zero, nay, nada reason to cooperate or help the GOP. They have all the political reasons in the world to obstruct and force the GOP to work with them (that's their leverage).

As for the unborn, the GOP has been conning their base on abortion for a generation now. And I say that as someone who wants abortion banned except to save the mother's life and would support defunding PP.

If that were true, wouldn't Democrats have been blamed for the 2013 shutdown?

Who won the 2014 Congressional elections?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Paul Ryan should have straight up told the democrats this :


You want planned parenthood funded well then fine agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending or we want you to not filibuster tax reform or welfare reform. Also give that deal on live television .

Planned Parenthood is a nonstarter, that's why. They simply don't have any leverage when it comes to this issue.

then the dems will agree to 70 billion dollars in cuts to other domestic spending.

Why on earth would Democrats agree to that?

Cause that deal will be broadcasted on live tv and they should say we have the votes to keep government open , but if dems dont take this deal and filibuster they will shutdown the gov

Good God, you really don't know anything do you? Your lack of a strident understanding of how policymaking works is such low-hanging fruit that it makes it hard to read these threads without stopping just to remind you that what you're saying makes literally zero sense.

Why would Democrats ever agree to that huge of a spending cut, and why would you think the public would be angry at them for not doing it? If the GOP was so stubborn in asking for such a huge spending cut all at once and the Democrats said no, all they would need to say on "live tv" is that such a huge spending cut would damage the functions of our government and wouldn't be worth the fight. The GOP did not lose the election for shutting down the government during Obama's term, remember?

Your assumption that the public would just rally behind Trump if the Democrats refused to slash and burn such a huge chunk of our budget demonstrates a real missing link between what you think will happen and what actually happens.

70 billion in spending cuts is not that much percentage wise.  70 billion out of 3.6 trillion is just 1.94 % which isn't that much .

[The_Doctor]

If that were true, wouldn't Democrats have been blamed for the 2013 shutdown?

The Republicans won 2014. Crucially, for the congressional party to be blamed, they need to control a chamber of Congress. Democrats don't, so functionally, they get a free pass to say anything they want. Opposition is a low cost political strategy in our system to an unpopular President.