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« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2017, 01:55:23 pm »
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Babis says he is reaching out to all the party leaders of the new parliament, and hopes a new government can be in place quickly. He also underlines that ANO is a pro-European party, and that Czechia will remain a solid part of EU and NATO. But he says the idea of a two-speed EU and new integration plans should stop.

So he's saying the same things that Kurz said after the election ...

I don't know that makes someone right wing, a lot of parties on the further left are Eurosceptic too so I think amongst the establishment one who doesn't fully embrace the EU is considered right wing but not sure that is true amongst average voters.  In UK, many Labour voters voted to leave.
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« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2017, 02:45:10 pm »
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Average age of the new Pirate group of MPs: 34.1

I can't remember something similar, certainly not from a party with more than a few MPs
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« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2017, 05:16:46 pm »
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Average age of the new Pirate group of MPs: 34.1

I can't remember something similar, certainly not from a party with more than a few MPs

TBH I think Europe needs more Pirate Parties.

Too many parties are pushing for curbing liberties in the face of foreign threats.
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« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2017, 06:41:39 pm »
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Currently, I have:

71% Right (ANO, TOP09, ODS, SPD, STAN, KDU-CSL, Svobodni, Realists, ROZUMNI)
27% Left (Pirates, Social Dems, Communists, Greens)
  2% Others (with less than 0.5% each)

Sorry, but putting KDU-CSL, STAN or TOP in the same basket as SPD is stupid.
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« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2017, 09:26:47 pm »
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Currently, I have:

71% Right (ANO, TOP09, ODS, SPD, STAN, KDU-CSL, Svobodni, Realists, ROZUMNI)
27% Left (Pirates, Social Dems, Communists, Greens)
  2% Others (with less than 0.5% each)

Sorry, but putting KDU-CSL, STAN or TOP in the same basket as SPD is stupid.

They are all Right-wingers though. Some more, some less.
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« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2017, 09:43:38 pm »
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Currently, I have:

71% Right (ANO, TOP09, ODS, SPD, STAN, KDU-CSL, Svobodni, Realists, ROZUMNI)
27% Left (Pirates, Social Dems, Communists, Greens)
  2% Others (with less than 0.5% each)

Sorry, but putting KDU-CSL, STAN or TOP in the same basket as SPD is stupid.

They are all Right-wingers though. Some more, some less.

STAN is probably more centrist than right wing.  Even KDU-CSL is pretty close the centre while ANO 2011 is tough to pin down.  Top 09 and ODS are definitely on the right at least would be in most countries although if you used American definitions only SPD, Svobodni, Realist, and Rozumi would qualify as right wing.  Right wing vs. left wing varies depending on country.  In many European countries the Democrats would be considered a party on the right, yet in the US most consider them on the left.  Heck here in Canada, while most agree the Conservatives are on the right and NDP on the left, if you ask an NDP supporter they say Liberals on the right, ask a Liberal they say they are in the centre, ask a conservative, they say they are on the left.
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2017, 10:36:49 pm »
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KDU is basically coalition fodder. Weren't not for the spectacular divorce between Babies and Social Democrats plus Christian Democrats, they'd be first in line to sign up for more punishment in an ANO government.
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« Reply #107 on: October 22, 2017, 03:58:16 am »
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Currently, I have:

71% Right (ANO, TOP09, ODS, SPD, STAN, KDU-CSL, Svobodni, Realists, ROZUMNI)
27% Left (Pirates, Social Dems, Communists, Greens)
  2% Others (with less than 0.5% each)

Sorry, but putting KDU-CSL, STAN or TOP in the same basket as SPD is stupid.

They are all Right-wingers though. Some more, some less.

SPD is sort of weird mix of economic center-right and socially authoritarian. Pirates definitely aren't left-wing (economically). All of the parties (except for TOP09 and maybe Pirates) are strongly anti-immigration in a way that makes Trump look like moderate compared to them.
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« Reply #108 on: October 22, 2017, 07:20:29 am »
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21-year old Dominik Feri, student and actor of ethiopian heritage, received 19,4% preferences on the TOP09 Prague list and will therefore get the party's 2nd seat there despite a low placement as 36.



A bowtied Ethiopian in Schwarzenberg's party?! Cheesy
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« Reply #109 on: October 22, 2017, 08:08:03 am »
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« Reply #110 on: October 22, 2017, 08:55:19 am »
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KDU is basically coalition fodder. Weren't not for the spectacular divorce between Babies and Social Democrats plus Christian Democrats, they'd be first in line to sign up for more punishment in an ANO government.
They are a classic Eastern European vaguely socially conservative, vaguely agrarian patronage machine, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did anyway.
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« Reply #111 on: October 22, 2017, 09:06:48 am »
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ANO is already starting talks with all the different parties.

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In an interview with iDnes.cz, Mr. Babi said his party was closest to the Civic Democrats, the Mayors and Independents group and the Czech Pirate Party. He said some elements of the programme of Freedom and Direct Democracy were also acceptable to ANO.

However, the heads of many other parties have expressed reluctance to enter a coalition headed by Mr. Babi in view of the fact that he is facing criminal charges of abusing EU subsidies.

For his part, the ANO chief said the biggest problem in running the Czech state was coalition forming. He said it was a pity that the country did not have a majority electoral system that would allow for the effective functioning of the state and the government.

Mr. Babi said, however, that changing the current system of proportional representation would not be priority for his party in negotiations on forming a new cabinet.

http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/communists-first-as-ano-begin-round-of-talks-on-coalition-formation
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« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2017, 09:26:20 am »
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Has the young Klaus come out of his cave yet? He's probably Babis's best chance of making a deal with ODS.
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« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2017, 10:33:33 am »
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« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2017, 11:20:44 am »
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What are Babis/ANOs positions on immigration?
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« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2017, 11:23:20 am »
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What are Babis/ANOs positions on immigration?

Everyone is the Czech Republic is against immigration except TOP.
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« Reply #116 on: October 22, 2017, 11:46:24 am »
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What are Babis/ANOs positions on immigration?

Everyone is the Czech Republic is against immigration except TOP.

Even the Pirates?
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« Reply #117 on: October 24, 2017, 01:38:56 am »
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What are Babis/ANOs positions on immigration?

Everyone is the Czech Republic is against immigration except TOP.

Even the Pirates?

Possible. Does anyone know what they actually stand for?
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« Reply #118 on: October 24, 2017, 12:07:45 pm »
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What are Babis/ANOs positions on immigration?

Everyone is the Czech Republic is against immigration except TOP.

Even the Pirates?

Possible. Does anyone know what they actually stand for?

Well, they're civil libertarians, and seem to have liberal and pro-freedom sympathies in general, so I'd expect neutral or slightly pro-immigration. (They might actually be soft anti-, I really am just guessing here)
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« Reply #119 on: October 27, 2017, 03:12:40 am »
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ANO continue to talk with most of the other parties, but Babis have now completely ruled out including STAN or TOP09 in a new coalition. He "the two groupings had a minimum number of deputies in the lower house and whats more behaved in a hostile manner toward his party". Babis also states that he wants a government before Christmas. CSSD leader Zaoralek has said that they are going into opposition.

Alongside the talks of coalition, the parties are also talking about how the highest post in the new parliament should be distributed. The role of chairman is sought by both ANOs Radek Vondracek and ODS leader Petr Fiala, while both Okamura as well as the combined efforts of KDU-CSL/STAN/TOP09 seek the deputy chairman post.

http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/ano-rule-out-including-mayors-or-top-09-in-future-coalition
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« Reply #120 on: October 27, 2017, 07:59:01 am »
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After ODS leader Petr Fiala cleary repeated that his party would not join ANO in coalition, Babis has given up on forming a majority government and will instead pursue a minority government, something he just days ago dismissed as a "unrealistic scenario". He says he will put together a government of ANO ministers as well as politically-unaffiliated experts. He says he will incorporate parts of other parties' policies in his government programme to gain support, but has not stated which parties in particular. SPD would certainly be a good guess, and I guess they would basically only need some kind of democracy reform (referendums most likely) and some tough words on muslims to vote in favour of the minority government. However, it will be interesting to see who else will be in favour, or at least not vote against it. The support of one additional party is needed. Since all the mainstream parties have rejected Babis, it would be a bit strange if they were now to allow him to govern. Perhaps he will try to court the Pirates by including their policies on technology etc. Otherwise, the Communists are probably the best bid.
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« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2017, 07:18:45 am »
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Two of the biggest losers of the election will both get a new leadership.

The leader of the Communist Party, Vojtěch Filip, has announced he will stand down as leader. Filip, who has led the party for 12 years, announced he would not stand against at the party congress planned for April.

The current leadership of the Social Democrats will resign at the party congress planned for April and allow the membership to elect a new team, party deputy chairman Milan Chovanec announced. However, it is unclear whether Chovanec or Zaoralek will run again, but particularly the latter is probably quite closely tied to the defeat, despite taking over late in the term.
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« Reply #122 on: October 30, 2017, 05:19:43 pm »
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   Diouf, what kinds of new referenda laws would the ANO support to get SPD on board?
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« Reply #123 on: November 01, 2017, 05:32:38 pm »
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   Diouf, what kinds of new referenda laws would the ANO support to get SPD on board?

There is some background on it in the article below. Basically, where you get a number of signatures then you can hold a referendum, not specified here what subjects can be send to referenda. A referenda law will require a constitutional act, which needs 3/5 majority, 120 votes. But as the article, says both ANO and KSCM are supportive, so only five more seats is needed for Czechia to be hit by this plague as well.

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According to him, ANO negotiators said ANO wants to support a bill on general referendum.

"It is necessary to discuss its parameters. [ANO leader] Andrej Babis told us ANO's idea of the quorum required for holding a referendum is higher. He want it higher than 250,000 people..., with which we disagree," Okamura said.

Nevertheless, ANO's consent to the planned bill is important, he said, adding that the KSCM, too, promised to support it, and only five more lawmakers are needed for the bill to make it through.

In the general election, ANO gained 78 seats in the 200-seat Chamber of Deputies. The SPD fared fourth with 22 seats and the KSCM fifth with 15 seats.


http://praguemonitor.com/2017/10/27/okamura-spd-ano-agree-promoting-general-referendum-bill
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« Reply #124 on: November 01, 2017, 06:06:01 pm »
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Babis still seems to struggle to find partnerns willing to support his government. So far, the only party opening up for supporting an ANO minority government, or at least abstaining, is the Communists.

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The head of the far-left Communist party (KSCM) said he could tolerate a minority cabinet as a way out of the impasse.

It is a question of how much the governments program would fit us, to tolerate this government, KSCM chairman Vojtech Filip told Czech Television. I am not saying we will support it, I am speaking about tolerance.

Babis apparently tried quite openly to split the ODS. In a meeting with Petr Fiala, he proposed that ODS lawmakers Vaclav Klaus Jr. and Jana Cernochova joined his minority government as experts in education and defence respectively. Quite a provocation, which caused a furious responce from Fiala afterwards. I have yet to see Klaus Jr comment; it is of course possible that he and some allies could support/abstain in the vote about Babis minority government, but that would almost certainly mean that the party will split.

Okamura is quite adamant to enter the government and significantly influence the programme. Since Babis is not offering this, Okamura states that the won't support Babis' government in any way.
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"We said that we will not back any government that does not fulfil our programme. If its is ready to fulfil our programme, we will be ready to assume the government responsibility. However, the offer was not made," Okamura said.

He also dismissed the option that the SPD might contribute to the confidence [to be gained in the Chamber of Deputies] in ANO by its deputies walking our of the room during the vote.

So Babis basically needs to decide what to do. Does he want to pursue support from KCSM and SPD with several policy concessions and perhaps even make some of them members in his government, despite Babis rejecting this scenario often, including in his message to the rest of the EU on election night. Or will he accept not being a part of the government himself and then try to gain tacid support from some of the mainstream parties. Minister of Regional Affairs, Karla lechtov, is one option as PM in that case.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-czech-politics/czech-babis-gains-possible-support-in-bid-for-minority-government-idUSKBN1CZ2NO?il=0

http://praguemonitor.com/2017/11/01/spd-not-back-babi%C5%A1s-government
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