MI Governor 2018

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

This is going to be a repeat of NJ-Gov 2017, only with an even more lopsided margin of victory.

Why do you think Whitmer is going to win by such a large margin? I don't see any reason to think that she'll outdo Obama '08 or even do as well as him.

[Ohioguy29]

Bernie is very popular in...Ohio.

Lol totally false. Take a look at the 2016 primary map sometime; Ohioans from almost all counties across the state, from Appalachia, from the big cities, from the Mahoning Valley all joined together to vote against him (and it's not like Hillary is very well liked.) Anecdotally, almost no older adults I know like him, and even many young people are like "too liberal" or "he's a socialist" (and these aren't Republicans.) Populism works here, but it's gotta be the right kinda populism. His policies were less an issue than his image/branding (although being anti-fracking doesn't play well in Ohio at all if we're being honest.)

[Progressive Pessimist]

Bernie is very popular in...Ohio.

Lol totally false. Take a look at the 2016 primary map sometime; Ohioans from almost all counties across the state, from Appalachia, from the big cities, from the Mahoning Valley all joined together to vote against him (and it's not like Hillary is very well liked.) Anecdotally, almost no older adults I know like him, and even many young people are like "too liberal" or "he's a socialist" (and these aren't Republicans.) Populism works here, but it's gotta be the right kinda populism. His policies were less an issue than his image/branding (although being anti-fracking doesn't play well in Ohio at all if we're being honest.)

Thank you for saying this. This is why I never bought the idea that he would somehow easily win the industrial midwest in the general election just because both he and Trump are "anti-establishment populists."

[Ohioguy29]

Bernie is very popular in...Ohio.

Lol totally false. Take a look at the 2016 primary map sometime; Ohioans from almost all counties across the state, from Appalachia, from the big cities, from the Mahoning Valley all joined together to vote against him (and it's not like Hillary is very well liked.) Anecdotally, almost no older adults I know like him, and even many young people are like "too liberal" or "he's a socialist" (and these aren't Republicans.) Populism works here, but it's gotta be the right kinda populism. His policies were less an issue than his image/branding (although being anti-fracking doesn't play well in Ohio at all if we're being honest.)

Thank you for saying this. This is why I never bought the idea that he would somehow easily win the industrial midwest in the general election just because both he and Trump are "anti-establishment populists."

(Former) Democrats were switching parties to vote for Trump in the Republican primary. If Bernie was so dang appealing they wouldn't have done that. I'm pretty populist myself and I didn't like him much; he seemed out of touch with Ohio values. I will say 2018 Bernie is much better than 2016 Bernie, but he still doesn't really "get it" even though he has good intentions and is in many ways a positive influence on the party.

Sherrod Brown has fairly similar policies to Bernie but is well liked by a broad variety of people, including many Trump voters. He focuses on jobs instead of free college and he seems like a regular Midwestern guy instead of a coastal elite. People are also convinced he's a moderate even though he's one of the most liberal senators. He strikes the perfect balance between being willing to compromise and work bipartisanly to get stuff done and standing up for his values.
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Now Michigan, idk about them. We're similar in some ways but not exactly the same; they seem a bit less staid and conservative. My wild guess is that Bernie would've done slightly better with white voters there, but that black voter turnout would be so low that he loses there anyway. I could be wrong though. He definitely would've lost Pennsylvania regardless so it's a moot point.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Wasn't sure where else to put this and I wasn't sure a state AG race merited a new topic, but Dana Nessel has beaten Pat Miles for the AG nomination at the Michigan Dem convention. Seems like a bit of an upset, since Miles was backed by the UAW and the party establishment.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_democratic_party_endo.html

Congrats, MI Dems.  Y’all just threw away a winnable race.

[YE]

Bernie is very popular in...Ohio.

Lol totally false. Take a look at the 2016 primary map sometime; Ohioans from almost all counties across the state, from Appalachia, from the big cities, from the Mahoning Valley all joined together to vote against him (and it's not like Hillary is very well liked.) Anecdotally, almost no older adults I know like him, and even many young people are like "too liberal" or "he's a socialist" (and these aren't Republicans.) Populism works here, but it's gotta be the right kinda populism. His policies were less an issue than his image/branding (although being anti-fracking doesn't play well in Ohio at all if we're being honest.)

Thank you for saying this. This is why I never bought the idea that he would somehow easily win the industrial midwest in the general election just because both he and Trump are "anti-establishment populists."

(Former) Democrats were switching parties to vote for Trump in the Republican primary. If Bernie was so dang appealing they wouldn't have done that. I'm pretty populist myself and I didn't like him much; he seemed out of touch with Ohio values. I will say 2018 Bernie is much better than 2016 Bernie, but he still doesn't really "get it" even though he has good intentions and is in many ways a positive influence on the party.

Sherrod Brown has fairly similar policies to Bernie but is well liked by a broad variety of people, including many Trump voters. He focuses on jobs instead of free college and he seems like a regular Midwestern guy instead of a coastal elite. People are also convinced he's a moderate even though he's one of the most liberal senators. He strikes the perfect balance between being willing to compromise and work bipartisanly to get stuff done and standing up for his values.
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Now Michigan, idk about them. We're similar in some ways but not exactly the same; they seem a bit less staid and conservative. My wild guess is that Bernie would've done slightly better with white voters there, but that black voter turnout would be so low that he loses there anyway. I could be wrong though. He definitely would've lost Pennsylvania regardless so it's a moot point.

At this point, and contrary to what I felt several months ago, debating over whether Bernie would have won is moot point. It's like debating whether Reagan would have won had he been the nominee in 1976. With that said, polling does suggest that Bernie Sanders is the most popular major politician in the country (although Joe Biden polls better - he doesn't really constitute as a politician anymore at least he jumps in the 2020 race), and with the right conditions, is well suited to win the Midwest that Obama won twice, once with little difficulty, so to act like he's a fringe candidate lives in a bubble. 

Back on subject somewhat, is Whitmer's candidacy a dumpster fire or has she just not hit the airways yet? We can't afford to lose this race.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Bernie is very popular in...Ohio.

Lol totally false. Take a look at the 2016 primary map sometime; Ohioans from almost all counties across the state, from Appalachia, from the big cities, from the Mahoning Valley all joined together to vote against him (and it's not like Hillary is very well liked.) Anecdotally, almost no older adults I know like him, and even many young people are like "too liberal" or "he's a socialist" (and these aren't Republicans.) Populism works here, but it's gotta be the right kinda populism. His policies were less an issue than his image/branding (although being anti-fracking doesn't play well in Ohio at all if we're being honest.)

Thank you for saying this. This is why I never bought the idea that he would somehow easily win the industrial midwest in the general election just because both he and Trump are "anti-establishment populists."

(Former) Democrats were switching parties to vote for Trump in the Republican primary. If Bernie was so dang appealing they wouldn't have done that. I'm pretty populist myself and I didn't like him much; he seemed out of touch with Ohio values. I will say 2018 Bernie is much better than 2016 Bernie, but he still doesn't really "get it" even though he has good intentions and is in many ways a positive influence on the party.

Sherrod Brown has fairly similar policies to Bernie but is well liked by a broad variety of people, including many Trump voters. He focuses on jobs instead of free college and he seems like a regular Midwestern guy instead of a coastal elite. People are also convinced he's a moderate even though he's one of the most liberal senators. He strikes the perfect balance between being willing to compromise and work bipartisanly to get stuff done and standing up for his values.
.
Now Michigan, idk about them. We're similar in some ways but not exactly the same; they seem a bit less staid and conservative. My wild guess is that Bernie would've done slightly better with white voters there, but that black voter turnout would be so low that he loses there anyway. I could be wrong though. He definitely would've lost Pennsylvania regardless so it's a moot point.

At this point, and contrary to what I felt several months ago, debating over whether Bernie would have won is moot point. It's like debating whether Reagan would have won had he been the nominee in 1976. With that said, polling does suggest that Bernie Sanders is the most popular major politician in the country (although Joe Biden polls better - he doesn't really constitute as a politician anymore at least he jumps in the 2020 race), and with the right conditions, is well suited to win the Midwest that Obama won twice, once with little difficulty, so to act like he's a fringe candidate lives in a bubble. 

Back on subject somewhat, is Whitmer's candidacy a dumpster fire or has she just not hit the airways yet? We can't afford to lose this race.

Whitmer hasn’t hit the airwaves yet, she’ll be fine barring Russian meddling.

[KingSweden]

Wasn't sure where else to put this and I wasn't sure a state AG race merited a new topic, but Dana Nessel has beaten Pat Miles for the AG nomination at the Michigan Dem convention. Seems like a bit of an upset, since Miles was backed by the UAW and the party establishment.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_democratic_party_endo.html

Congrats, MI Dems.  Y’all just threw away a winnable race.

She could be carried by the environment, but Miles was far superior

[Bojack Horseman]

Wasn't sure where else to put this and I wasn't sure a state AG race merited a new topic, but Dana Nessel has beaten Pat Miles for the AG nomination at the Michigan Dem convention. Seems like a bit of an upset, since Miles was backed by the UAW and the party establishment.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_democratic_party_endo.html

Congrats, MI Dems.  Y’all just threw away a winnable race.

Dana had the best platform and real experience. Pat Miles was a slimy politician who turned to Republican tactics when he couldn’t win on issues.

[KingSweden]

Wasn't sure where else to put this and I wasn't sure a state AG race merited a new topic, but Dana Nessel has beaten Pat Miles for the AG nomination at the Michigan Dem convention. Seems like a bit of an upset, since Miles was backed by the UAW and the party establishment.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_democratic_party_endo.html

Congrats, MI Dems.  Y’all just threw away a winnable race.

Dana had the best platform and real experience. Pat Miles was a slimy politician who turned to Republican tactics when he couldn’t win on issues.

Being a former US Attorney isn’t real experience?

[Jeppe]

Good on Nessel, she’ll do fine in November. People who think she’s going to lose are being way too salty about Miles losing.

[Bojack Horseman]

Wasn't sure where else to put this and I wasn't sure a state AG race merited a new topic, but Dana Nessel has beaten Pat Miles for the AG nomination at the Michigan Dem convention. Seems like a bit of an upset, since Miles was backed by the UAW and the party establishment.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_democratic_party_endo.html

Congrats, MI Dems.  Y’all just threw away a winnable race.

Dana had the best platform and real experience. Pat Miles was a slimy politician who turned to Republican tactics when he couldn’t win on issues.

Being a former US Attorney isn’t real experience?

Pat Miles simply couldn't be trusted. He said he was pro-union, but he once-upon-a-time supported right to work. We're about to vote on legalizing marijuana, and Miles prosecuted medical marijuana patients in federal court. He just couldn't be trusted.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Considering how Dana Nessel implied that "all men are sexual predators", and "women are never sexual predators" in one of the dumbest campaign advertisements ever, both of which are completely false statements with numerous counterexamples, I am really annoyed that she was nominated.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Considering how Dana Nessel implied that "all men are sexual predators", and "women are never sexual predators" in one of the dumbest campaign advertisements ever, both of which are completely false statements with numerous counterexamples, I am really annoyed that she was nominated.

This, plus Pat Miles was a solid candidate.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Does Michigan not have primaries for downballot executive offices?

Because not having primaries is dumb and anti-democracy.

[Young Conservative]

Watching the Michigan Democrats throw away the AG race is fun.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Watching the Michigan Democrats throw away the AG race is fun.

Kinda like watching the Republican Party throw away both houses of Congress?

[junior chįmp]

Whitimer rolled out a pretty left-wing economic platform recently:

- $15-an-hour minimum wage
- Repealing Right-to-Work
- Free community college

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180529/news/661976/whitmer-economic-plan-15-an-hour-minimum-wage-repealing-right-to-work

[#gravelgang #lessiglad]

Thanedar spotted at a Rubio 2016 campaign event and posed with Rubio: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/24/thanedar-rubio-rally-no-crime/642027002/

Also, Kzihr Khan (of DNC fame) endorsed El-Sayed, in what is perhaps this cycle's least consequential endorsement.

[Politician]

Thanedar spotted at a Rubio 2016 campaign event and posed with Rubio: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/24/thanedar-rubio-rally-no-crime/642027002/

Also, Kzihr Khan (of DNC fame) endorsed El-Sayed, in what is perhaps this cycle's least consequential endorsement.

I honestly have no idea why Thanedar is running, tbh.

[Bojack Horseman]

Thanedar spotted at a Rubio 2016 campaign event and posed with Rubio: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/24/thanedar-rubio-rally-no-crime/642027002/

Also, Kzihr Khan (of DNC fame) endorsed El-Sayed, in what is perhaps this cycle's least consequential endorsement.

I honestly have no idea why Thanedar is running, tbh.

Because he wants attention and a platform to schmooze rich people.

[libertpaulian]

Whitimer rolled out a pretty left-wing economic platform recently:

- $15-an-hour minimum wage
- Repealing Right-to-Work
- Free community college

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180529/news/661976/whitmer-economic-plan-15-an-hour-minimum-wage-repealing-right-to-work

She needs to start touting this platform to all of the Trump WWC counties as well as the counties with POC this very minute if she wants to win in November.

[Politician]

Whitimer rolled out a pretty left-wing economic platform recently:

- $15-an-hour minimum wage
- Repealing Right-to-Work
- Free community college

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180529/news/661976/whitmer-economic-plan-15-an-hour-minimum-wage-repealing-right-to-work

She needs to start touting this platform to all of the Trump WWC counties as well as the counties with POC this very minute if she wants to win in November.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Whitimer rolled out a pretty left-wing economic platform recently:

- $15-an-hour minimum wage
- Repealing Right-to-Work
- Free community college

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180529/news/661976/whitmer-economic-plan-15-an-hour-minimum-wage-repealing-right-to-work

Points two and three are great. I think a $15 min wage statewide is a dumb idea but I can actually see it playing well in Michigan where laborers who went from manufacturing or resources (mining) to service work took a huge pay cut. Really curious to see how this would play out if she (or El-Sayed) won.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Likely D. Whitmer wins in a walk.