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« on: May 12, 2017, 05:05:05 PM »
« edited: May 13, 2017, 11:43:11 PM by MT Treasurer »

...in your lifetime? Come on, this thread was inevitable. Tongue

I'm 99.9% sure about all of these except WV, which was iffy:



Also plausible:



I was contemplating coloring Iowa blue as well, honestly.
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 05:53:31 PM »

The first map, but switch VA with MD and add MA.  A GOP 5-point+ PV win still = flipping VA through at least 2024, particularly if it's Pence running.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 10:38:57 PM »

None.

But I thought the OP will say NH !
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2017, 08:49:43 AM »

I think NY, MA and MD will LIKELY vote Democratic for the rest of my life, and I think ID, WY, UT, NE, KS and OK will all vote GOP ... all of those COULD switch, but it'd be hard.  Other than that, I think every state will switch at least once.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 11:20:42 PM »

Never vote Dem again: Wyoming.

Never vote Republican again: New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Rhode Island, Washington State, California, New Jersey, Oregon, and Maryland.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2017, 04:38:23 AM »

I think DC (not a state but who cares) and Maryland will never vote GOP during my lifetime while Wyoming, Oklahoma, the Dakotas, Utah and Idaho will never vote Dem in my lifetime. I fully believe TD's theory that the GOP will eventually become a very technocratic centrist/centre-right party in order to survive.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2017, 04:44:55 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2017, 09:47:50 AM »

Never Republican Again: California, Washington, Illinois, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts

Never Democrat Again: Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, West Virginia
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2017, 11:03:26 AM »

Based on premium quality Atlas analysis, I've concluded it must be this:



But in all seriousness, these are the only ones I have confidence in:



Landslides happen, re-alignments happen, population change happens (and not always in predictable ways), political trends change, parties change their ideology, and it's possible we'll get a serious third party candidate from just about anywhere in the political spectrum. We have no idea how the electoral map will look in the future. I would bet that, 30-50 years ago, people would have said, "no way will I ever see VT, NH, or ME go Democratic."
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2017, 01:28:11 PM »

Never Democratic for the next 30 years: Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska (including NE-01 and NE-03), North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wyoming.

Never Republican for the next 30 years: California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2017, 01:41:13 PM »

Based on premium quality Atlas analysis, I've concluded it must be this:



But in all seriousness, these are the only ones I have confidence in:



Landslides happen, re-alignments happen, population change happens (and not always in predictable ways), political trends change, parties change their ideology, and it's possible we'll get a serious third party candidate from just about anywhere in the political spectrum. We have no idea how the electoral map will look in the future. I would bet that, 30-50 years ago, people would have said, "no way will I ever see VT, NH, or ME go Democratic."

Some historical voting patterns have had staying power, though, as your VT example illustrates.  It went straight Republican from 1856-1960, at a time when population change and movement between states was much higher than it is today.  Now that I think about it, the best candidates to be a modern version of 19th century Vermont could be Hawaii or Wyoming- remote states with very distinct local cultures and not a ton of migration in or out.  New Mexico is intriguing in the same way.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2017, 03:01:11 PM »
« Edited: May 14, 2017, 06:23:06 PM by Technocratic Timmy »

Based on premium quality Atlas analysis, I've concluded it must be this:



But in all seriousness, these are the only ones I have confidence in:



Landslides happen, re-alignments happen, population change happens (and not always in predictable ways), political trends change, parties change their ideology, and it's possible we'll get a serious third party candidate from just about anywhere in the political spectrum. We have no idea how the electoral map will look in the future. I would bet that, 30-50 years ago, people would have said, "no way will I ever see VT, NH, or ME go Democratic."

My thoughts as well. D.C. I'm 95% sure on and Wyoming I'm about 80% sure on.

In the right circumstances I could see states like California, New York, and Maryland voting Republican in 2040 and states like West Virginia and Kentucky voting Democrat in the 2030's.
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2017, 06:49:04 PM »

I don't think there's any state that is held permanently by one party. Yes eventually Texas will go blue again and yes California will go red again. That goes for every state even Alabama will eventually go democrat
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2017, 08:28:09 PM »

Wyoming without a doubt for never going D, and California or D.C. for never going R.
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 10:18:43 AM »



After Trump. Dems will have a 279 electoral advantage and WI, PA and MI will never vote GOP ever again
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 10:22:04 AM »



After Trump. Dems will have a 279 electoral advantage and WI, PA and MI will never vote GOP ever again
Maine is leaning right, as are MI, WI, and PA.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 11:34:56 AM »
« Edited: May 29, 2017, 11:37:43 AM by Da-Jon »

In 2018, Dems will pick up governor mansions in ME, MI and win Congressional seats in ME enough for it to lean left again.

Bruce Paquin will lose in 2018, ME 2
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 12:31:48 PM »

In 2018, Dems will pick up governor mansions in ME, MI and win Congressional seats in ME enough for it to lean left again.

Bruce Paquin will lose in 2018, ME 2
One election doesn't make or break a state's future politics
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 01:42:51 PM »

I know that, MI, PA and WI voted Democratic since 1992 and only in 2016 did they break with their tradition
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 03:12:51 PM »

http://www.270towin.com/maps/bR70X
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 08:06:52 PM »

DC (not a state obviously) is the only one I'd bet the house on. The highest Republican % *ever* was Nixon's 22% in 1972, and that was when Nixon won by 23% nationally in a less polarised era. The only way it would ever vote Republican is if that candidate were unopposed, or there was a complete switching of the party platforms.

I think every state has at least a 10% chance of voting for either party at least once in the next 50 years. That did, in fact, happen from 1964 to 1984. It's by no means guaranteed to happen again, but 50 years is a long enough time I think there's a decent chance of it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2017, 09:45:37 PM »

I was born in 1990, so actuarially speaking, I should be around until 2075-2085 barring an unforeseen circumstance.

Using that math, I will see 14-17 more presidential elections. Chances are I will see quite a few realignments, and probably a couple 1972/1984 style landslides. If I had to pick two states to keep up their respective streaks over the next 60-70 years I'd go with Wyoming and Hawaii, but I'd still give both less than 50% odds.

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2017, 01:21:11 AM »



Like I said WI, PA and MI will go back Democratic in 2020 as the 279 blue wall is back with Cory Booker as the nominee
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2017, 09:15:30 AM »

I was born in 2001, so actuarially speaking, I should be around until 2085-2095 barring an unforeseen circumstance.

Using that math, I will see 17-19 more presidential elections. Chances are I will see quite a few realignments, and probably a couple 1972/1984 style landslides. If I had to pick two states to keep up their respective streaks over the next 60-70 years I'd go with Wyoming and Hawaii, but I'd still give both less than 50% odds.


This. DC, too.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2017, 10:56:18 PM »



Like I said WI, PA and MI will go back Democratic in 2020 as the 279 blue wall is back with Cory Booker as the nominee

Booker is the one Democrat I can see losing one, two, or all of those states. He's too much of a Neo Liberal economically. The Democrats need a populist to swing those states, and with Trump really not governing as a populist thus far, a Populist Democrat can easily win those three states and beat him.
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