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« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2017, 08:52:52 PM »

-Using marijuana - acceptable
-Drinking alcohol - acceptable
-Tattoos - acceptable
-Piercings (apart from female earlobes) - acceptable
-Cursing - acceptable lmbo
-Transgenderism - not a moral issue, we exist, that's an objective fact
-Prostitution - acceptable in principle (same answer as for pornography)
-Casual/meaningless sex (not necessarily the same thing as sex outside marriage) - acceptable
-Kissing outside of a relationship - acceptable
-Using hard drugs - acceptable
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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2017, 09:56:47 PM »

Aceptable
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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2017, 10:07:48 PM »

What's your problem with out of wedlock marriage? Marriage doesn't automatically make a relationship more stable.

It does if it happens in a culture that supports marriage and recognizes its importance as a source of stability and resilience for families and their children.

This is one of those issues where large portions of the left frustrate me. There's such a preoccupation with leveling hierarchies and dismantling the social structures that support those hierarchies that the harm done by leaving no realistic or sustainable replacement that fulfills the same functions is ignored.

I don't know. Single parents are not good by any means especially in non welfare states, but is it inherently worse than the phenomena it replaced (i.e. shotgun marriages)? I think the former is probably worse than the latter in the US, but this isn't necessarily always true.

I think one can recognise family breakdown and divorce as a bad thing on a societal level without considering them immoral acts for an individual.
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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2017, 11:53:14 PM »
« Edited: May 15, 2017, 11:55:45 PM by Senator Scott »

-Using marijuana: Very acceptable
-Drinking alcohol: Depends.  I don't think highly of being a drunkard, though.
-Tattoos: Not for me, but acceptable
-Piercings (apart from female earlobes): see tattoos
-Cursing: Fcking acceptable
-Transgenderism: Not a moral issue
-Prostitution: Unacceptable, but it should probably be legal
-Casual/meaningless sex (not necessarily the same thing as sex outside marriage): Unacceptable - I don't like promiscuity, anyway
-Kissing outside of a relationship: No opinion, definitely not something for me
-Using hard drugs: Unacceptable, but I'm generally uncomfortable moralizing things that have to do with addiction
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« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2017, 05:44:49 AM »

This is one of those issues where large portions of the left frustrate me. There's such a preoccupation with leveling hierarchies and dismantling the social structures that support those hierarchies that the harm done by leaving no realistic or sustainable replacement that fulfills the same functions is ignored.

I mean let's be clear about this: it's no coincidence that so many sexual abuse scandals occurred in the 1970s and 80s; i.e. after the collapse of various enforced Moral Orders (which had their flaws and faults and trapped many people, but, it must be admitted, protected others) but before certain mostly feminist derived concerns became mainstream.

As someone who worked on these cases at a government level that's not quite true. Reporting of abuse from that era by still living victims is higher because of the collapse of 'moral institutions' (and literal institutions) allowing freedom to talk and to be believed. Equally where those institutions and codes still exist, particularly in the Asian community, reporting levels are in many aspects dangerously low. When it comes to the LGBT community the last 50 years of progress hasn't happened. Far right dog whistling aside it's a real problem and progressive community groups need to be empowered.

Unchecked authority is the key indicator of where abuse can be allowed to exist (elder abuse in care homes lacking state intervention is one worrying development) As such you can only really 'model' historical records of institutuonal abuse and from what I know that's been on a downward trend. Abuse in the family home is a different beast.
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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2017, 08:17:18 AM »

Just to clarify: I didn't mean institutional abuse in e.g. care homes, closed schooling systems and the like - which in any case would be difficult to measure (even if you could accurately, which is unlikely) exactly 'fairly' because far more institutions of that sort existed in the past - but elsewhere in society (including the various Celebrity Paedo Scandals, though there's an overlap with institutional abuse there). The issue of abuse in junior level football is an interesting case.

Though I'm not sure if the greater willingness to talk has much to do with the collapse of old social/moral order; intuitively of course that makes sense, but does not fit with the timescale (or with how attempts to talk frankly about abuse were met in the 1980s). But does fit with when (again) certain mostly feminist and etc. ideas start to really move into the mainstream.
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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2017, 11:09:27 AM »

I'm not sure why people are so upset that divorce is widely accepted. It's absolutely necessary for relationships that end up being abusive. Even in relationships that aren't abusive, though, sometimes people grow apart. There's no way to predict that, and relationships that feel as though they will last forever can change, since people change. People should try to marry someone that they do feel as though they could spend their life with, but it's really impossible to predict what will happen in the distant future.

Using marijuana: Acceptable, though I don't use it.
Drinking alcohol: Acceptable, but being violent/harmful while drunk certainly isn't.
Tattoos: Acceptable, but not something I'm into.
Piercings (apart from female earlobes): Acceptable, though again, I'm not really into it.
Cursing: Acceptable
Transgenderism: Acceptable, but it's really not a moral issue.
Prostitution: Acceptable, but potentially problematic.
Casual/meaningless sex (not necessarily the same thing as sex outside marriage): Acceptable
Kissing outside of a relationship*: Acceptable
Using hard drugs: Unacceptable, though addiction is complicated, and I'm not sure we can really make this a moral issue.

* - Seriously? Even if two people are dating, but not yet in a relationship?
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« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2017, 11:52:31 AM »

I'm not sure why people are so upset that divorce is widely accepted. It's absolutely necessary for relationships that end up being abusive. Even in relationships that aren't abusive, though, sometimes people grow apart. There's no way to predict that, and relationships that feel as though they will last forever can change, since people change. People should try to marry someone that they do feel as though they could spend their life with, but it's really impossible to predict what will happen in the distant future.

Define "grow apart". Does it just mean losing the intense attraction one feels when one is in a young relationship? If so, that can absolutely be predicted, and shouldn't necessarily be fought against: "comfortable" can sometimes be better than "exciting".
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« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2017, 01:37:11 PM »

I'm not sure why people are so upset that divorce is widely accepted. It's absolutely necessary for relationships that end up being abusive. Even in relationships that aren't abusive, though, sometimes people grow apart. There's no way to predict that, and relationships that feel as though they will last forever can change, since people change. People should try to marry someone that they do feel as though they could spend their life with, but it's really impossible to predict what will happen in the distant future.

Define "grow apart". Does it just mean losing the intense attraction one feels when one is in a young relationship? If so, that can absolutely be predicted, and shouldn't necessarily be fought against: "comfortable" can sometimes be better than "exciting".

I was talking more about the fact that values can change, experiences change people in unpredictable ways. Comfort is a good thing in a relationship, but since life can change people, sometimes two people feel increasingly less comfortable with one another, and might even feel as though they don't know each other anymore.
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« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2017, 02:02:35 PM »

Birth Control: Unacceptable
Divorce: Acceptable, if granted by Church
Pre-Marital Sex: Unacceptable
Gambling: Unacceptable
Gay or Lesbian Relations: Acceptable if informal.
Having a Baby out of Marriage: Unacceptable if one create such situation on purpose, but baby should be treated as every other child if something like that happen. There should be no discrimination. 
Human Embryo Stem-Cell Research: Unacceptable
The Death Penalty: Unacceptable
Doctor-Assisted Suicide: Unacceptable
Animal Fur Clothing: Unacceptable
Medical Testing on Animals: Unacceptable
Abortion: Unacceptable
Sex Between Teenagers: Unacceptable if less than 17 and not married.
Pornography: Unacceptable
Cloning Animals: Unacceptable
Suicide: Unacceptable
Polygamy: Unacceptable
Extramartial Affairs: Unacceptable
Using marijuana: Unacceptable
Drinking alcohol: Unacceptable
Tattoos: Unacceptable, unless you are Copt
Piercings (apart from female earlobes): Acceptable if normal in your culture.
Cursing: All should try to avoid it.
Transgenderism: Unacceptable
Prostitution: Unacceptable
Casual/meaningless sex: Unacceptable
Kissing outside of a relationship: Bur what kissing?
Using hard drugs: Unacceptable
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« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2017, 04:18:46 PM »

-Using marijuana - Acceptable
-Drinking alcohol - Recommended
-Tattoos - Acceptable, although I personally wouldn't get one
-Piercings (apart from female earlobes) - same as tattoos
-Cursing - I'm Scottish, so...
-Transgenderism - not a moral issue
-Prostitution - Acceptable, although as currently set up its incredibly dodgy
-Casual/meaningless sex (not necessarily the same thing as sex outside marriage) - Acceptable
-Kissing outside of a relationship - Acceptable
-Using hard drugs - This is a health issue more than anything: I'd support decriminalising simple possession of such things (although fund and promote high quality rehab facilities for these people; ideally covered by the state since most drug addicts can't afford good treatment) but still criminalise supplying the things.
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« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2017, 05:12:49 PM »

* - Seriously? Even if two people are dating, but not yet in a relationship?

Isn't the definition of dating someone being in a relationship with that person?
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« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2017, 05:26:33 PM »

(%): Morally Acceptable Rate

Birth Control (91%): Acceptable
Divorce (73%): Acceptable
Pre-Marital Sex (69%): Acceptable
Gambling (65%): Acceptable
Gay or Lesbian Relations (63%): Acceptable
Having a Baby out of Marriage (62%): Acceptable
Human Embryo Stem-Cell Research (61%): Acceptable
The Death Penalty (58%): Unacceptable
Doctor-Assisted Suicide (57%): Acceptable
Animal Fur Clothing (57%): Acceptable (ought to be discouraged)
Medical Testing on Animals (51%): Acceptable
Abortion (43%): Acceptable
Sex Between Teenagers (36%): Acceptable (not usually a smart decision, but not immoral)
Pornography (36%): Unacceptable
Cloning Animals (32%): Acceptable
Suicide (18%): Acceptable (ought to be discouraged, obviously)
Polygamy (17%): Unacceptable
Extramartial Affairs (9%): Unacceptable
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« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2017, 05:28:05 PM »

By "kissing outside of a relationship", is this meant to refer to random moments where college students might make out, likely under the influence of alcohol? Or is this some other category I haven't heard of?
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« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2017, 08:52:43 AM »

I'm not sure why people are so upset that divorce is widely accepted. It's absolutely necessary for relationships that end up being abusive. Even in relationships that aren't abusive, though, sometimes people grow apart. There's no way to predict that, and relationships that feel as though they will last forever can change, since people change. People should try to marry someone that they do feel as though they could spend their life with, but it's really impossible to predict what will happen in the distant future.

Define "grow apart". Does it just mean losing the intense attraction one feels when one is in a young relationship? If so, that can absolutely be predicted, and shouldn't necessarily be fought against: "comfortable" can sometimes be better than "exciting".

I was talking more about the fact that values can change, experiences change people in unpredictable ways. Comfort is a good thing in a relationship, but since life can change people, sometimes two people feel increasingly less comfortable with one another, and might even feel as though they don't know each other anymore.

I thought the point of family was to be a stable port in an unstable world?
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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2017, 12:28:41 PM »

Gay or Lesbian Relations: Always morally wrong (if sexual)

In what way isn't a gay or lesbian relationship sexual? Is kissing not sexual? Is cuddling not sexual? Is thought not sexual? Or is it anal penetrative that you have an issue with?
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« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2017, 12:58:32 PM »

* - Seriously? Even if two people are dating, but not yet in a relationship?

Isn't the definition of dating someone being in a relationship with that person?

I'm talking about dating someone before starting a relationship with them, i.e. getting to know them, and seeing if a relationship is what both of you want.
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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2017, 01:05:51 PM »
« Edited: May 17, 2017, 01:10:00 PM by DəvidB. »

-Using marijuana: acceptable
-Drinking alcohol: acceptable
-Tattoos: morally acceptable but against Jewish law, Jews shouldn't do it (even if tattoos can look great)
-Piercings (apart from female earlobes): acceptable
-Cursing: unacceptable
-Transgenderism: acceptable
-Prostitution: unacceptable, but the problem lies with the johns
-Casual/meaningless sex (not necessarily the same thing as sex outside marriage): nice
-Kissing outside of a relationship: nice
-Using hard drugs: depends, but lean unacceptable

* - Seriously? Even if two people are dating, but not yet in a relationship?

Isn't the definition of dating someone being in a relationship with that person?
If you're already in a relationship with a person then you're not "dating" them anymore, I'd say?
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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2017, 01:43:52 PM »


Gay or Lesbian Relations: Acceptable if informal.

Wh-...what? "informal"?
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2017, 01:58:13 PM »

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« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2017, 02:53:05 PM »

Birth Control (91%): Very Acceptable
Divorce (73%): Acceptable, if sad
Pre-Marital Sex (69%): Very Acceptable
Gambling (65%): Very Acceptable, if stupid
Gay or Lesbian Relations (63%): Very Acceptable
Having a Baby Out of Marriage (62%): Acceptable
Human Embryo Stem-Cell Research (61%): Accpetable, if complicated
The Death Penalty (58%): Acceptable, if not ideal
Doctor-Assisted Suicide (57%): Conflicted
Animal Fur Clothing (57%): Very Acceptable
Medical Testing on Animals (51%): Acceptable, if regrettable
Abortion (43%): Conflicted (pro-choice but find abortion in the abstract to probably be immoral)
Sex Between Teenagers (36%): Very Acceptable, but obviously caution advised
Pornography (36%): Very Acceptable/WHO CARES?
Cloning Animals (32%): Unacceptable
Suicide (18%): Unacceptable in the abstract, but circumstances vary
Polygamy (17%): Acceptable, if creepy/weird/a bad idea
Extramartial Affairs (9%): Unacceptable in the abstract, but circumstances vary
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« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2017, 05:03:35 PM »

-Using marijuana: I don't understand what this has even got to do with morality?
-Drinking alcohol: Also nothing to do with morality
-Tattoos: Also nothing to do with morality
-Piercings (apart from female earlobes): also nothing to do with morality
-Cursing: also nothing to do with morality, appropriateness depends completely on context
-Transgenderism: not a moral issue
-Prostitution: probably bad, but really unhelpful to treat it as a moral issue
-Casual/meaningless sex (not necessarily the same thing as sex outside marriage): morally fine
-Kissing outside of a relationship: lol
-Using hard drugs: probably bad, but really unhelpful to treat it as a moral issue

Basically, if something doesn't affect anyone but yourself, then morality really isn't relevant
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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2017, 06:45:08 PM »



Eh, I mean no to any sort of legalisation like civil union or marriage.
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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2017, 07:20:37 PM »



Eh, I mean no to any sort of legalisation like civil union or marriage.

Yes but premarital sex is also immoral in your logic?
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« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2017, 03:49:30 AM »



Eh, I mean no to any sort of legalisation like civil union or marriage.

Yes but premarital sex is also immoral in your logic?

Yes.
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