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afleitch
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« on: May 14, 2017, 02:18:49 PM »

Birth Control (91%): Acceptable
Divorce (73%): Acceptable
Pre-Marital Sex (69%): Acceptable
Gambling (65%): Acceptable
Gay or Lesbian Relations (63%): Acceptable
Having a Baby out of Marriage (62%): Acceptable
Human Embryo Stem-Cell Research (61%): Acceptable
The Death Penalty (58%): Unacceptable
Doctor-Assisted Suicide (57%): Acceptable
Animal Fur Clothing (57%): Not really a moral issue. I'm not going to wear a fur coat, but I'm not going to throw blood over tribal dress
Medical Testing on Animals (51%): Acceptable
Abortion (43%): Acceptable
Sex Between Teenagers (36%): Acceptable, in that it happens. Deal with it.
Pornography (36%): Acceptable
Cloning Animals (32%): Acceptable
Suicide (18%): Not a moral issue
Polygamy (17%): Generally Unacceptable
Cloning Humans (14%): Only within the grounds of embryological research. We've not yet had a cloned post natal human. Ask me then.
Extramartial Affairs (9%): Acceptable in hindsight if the couple explain their reasons with each other
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 03:45:32 PM »

Sex Between Teenagers (36%): Acceptable, in that it happens. Deal with it.

"Cold-Blooded Murder (1%): Acceptable, in that it happens. Deal with it."

I had sex when I was 16, with another 16 year old when the age of consent was still 18. If you want to feign outrage go ahead. It happens. I don't feel the need to police the sex lives of teenagers.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 06:31:57 AM »

The point is that "it happens" is a terrible argument for claiming that anything is morally justified, regardless of what particular thing you're trying to justify. Bad things happen. If they didn't, we wouldn't need morality.

I don't think consensual sex is a moral issue. Functions of the body including self and mutual pleasure are amoral. Age of consent laws are in place to protect teenagers from adults. If teenagers under the age of consent who are 'physically adult' have sex it's also an amoral issue and not really something I care too much to police. You can only educate.
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afleitch
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 05:44:49 AM »

This is one of those issues where large portions of the left frustrate me. There's such a preoccupation with leveling hierarchies and dismantling the social structures that support those hierarchies that the harm done by leaving no realistic or sustainable replacement that fulfills the same functions is ignored.

I mean let's be clear about this: it's no coincidence that so many sexual abuse scandals occurred in the 1970s and 80s; i.e. after the collapse of various enforced Moral Orders (which had their flaws and faults and trapped many people, but, it must be admitted, protected others) but before certain mostly feminist derived concerns became mainstream.

As someone who worked on these cases at a government level that's not quite true. Reporting of abuse from that era by still living victims is higher because of the collapse of 'moral institutions' (and literal institutions) allowing freedom to talk and to be believed. Equally where those institutions and codes still exist, particularly in the Asian community, reporting levels are in many aspects dangerously low. When it comes to the LGBT community the last 50 years of progress hasn't happened. Far right dog whistling aside it's a real problem and progressive community groups need to be empowered.

Unchecked authority is the key indicator of where abuse can be allowed to exist (elder abuse in care homes lacking state intervention is one worrying development) As such you can only really 'model' historical records of institutuonal abuse and from what I know that's been on a downward trend. Abuse in the family home is a different beast.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2017, 12:28:41 PM »

Gay or Lesbian Relations: Always morally wrong (if sexual)

In what way isn't a gay or lesbian relationship sexual? Is kissing not sexual? Is cuddling not sexual? Is thought not sexual? Or is it anal penetrative that you have an issue with?
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