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« on: May 14, 2017, 01:14:24 AM »

In spite of it's neighbor's flipping.
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 03:27:39 AM »

The counter trend in MN-03 for one, which Clinton won by 10 points. It was previously a close district.


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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 12:17:46 AM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 11:59:43 AM »

Al Franken must have helped Hillary bus in some illegal voters. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 01:51:55 PM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.

Trump did better among the college graduates demographic than among those with high school or less in Michigan, so not sure what you're talking about.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 01:53:06 PM »

The counter trend in MN-03 for one, which Clinton won by 10 points. It was previously a close district.



This. If Trump kept it as close as Romney did (didn't he lose it by only half a point or something) I think it would have been enough to flip the state.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 05:33:27 PM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.

Trump did better among the college graduates demographic than among those with high school or less in Michigan, so not sure what you're talking about.

The question was, "Why did MN stay blue when the other two flipped".  MN has more college educated voters, who swung to Hillary, therefore preventing the state from flipping.  Got nothing to do with the fact Trump did better with that group in MI than he did non college voters.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2017, 07:03:16 PM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.

Trump did better among the college graduates demographic than among those with high school or less in Michigan, so not sure what you're talking about.

Take a look at at the education part from the Minnesota exit poll.

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2017, 07:20:15 PM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.

Trump did better among the college graduates demographic than among those with high school or less in Michigan, so not sure what you're talking about.

Take a look at at the education part from the Minnesota exit poll.



Also, Michigan whites with college degrees were more pro-Clinton than whites without.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2017, 10:26:29 PM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.

Trump did better among the college graduates demographic than among those with high school or less in Michigan, so not sure what you're talking about.

Take a look at at the education part from the Minnesota exit poll.


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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2017, 11:16:03 PM »

MN is anchored by a larger metro area than WI and IA, whereas MI had more non-college educated voters.

Trump did better among the college graduates demographic than among those with high school or less in Michigan, so not sure what you're talking about.

That is true if you do not include those with a post graduate degree as part of the college graduate demographic.....

Overall Clinton won by 6 among college graduates in Michigan and lost by 4 with those who didn't graduate college.  Among whites with and without a college degree, the gap was wider.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 07:44:02 PM »

The state to state (including DC) (N=51) correlation between college educated percentage and percentage of vote for Trump was an almost incredible -0.85.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 06:57:35 AM »

I guess a better question is how come the Iron Range counties didn't flip to the Republicans like every other white working class Democrat area in the country?
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2017, 09:31:19 AM »

I guess a better question is how come the Iron Range counties didn't flip to the Republicans like every other white working class Democrat area in the country?
They trended really hard, but didn't quite flip.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 01:50:27 PM »

College educated voters and large Minneapolis metro area, as well as MN's stubborn streak of voting that way since 1976.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2017, 02:34:44 PM »

Also, Clinton won 65+ voters (but ironically lost 18-24s).  It's hard to win states when you cannot rack up votes from older voters.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2017, 06:01:31 PM »

I guess a better question is how come the Iron Range counties didn't flip to the Republicans like every other white working class Democrat area in the country?

Most of the Iron Range townships did flip. The only parts that didn't were tourist-y (Cook County is not working class, for example) or near Duluth, which is more urban.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2017, 07:21:47 PM »

I guess a better question is how come the Iron Range counties didn't flip to the Republicans like every other white working class Democrat area in the country?

Most of the Iron Range townships did flip. The only parts that didn't were tourist-y (Cook County is not working class, for example) or near Duluth, which is more urban.

I suspect the Iron Range will flip back in 2020.

MN has a socially liberal establishment, and has for a while. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2017, 09:48:09 PM »

Minnesota was always more liberal than Wisconsin and Iowa, and since it was only very remotely on the map, it wasn't targeted as heavily.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2017, 09:52:10 PM »

It's the richest non coastal state.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 02:22:52 AM »

According to the exit polls, it appears the main difference between say Minnesota and Wisconsin was the percentage of voters who were white college educated, in Minnesota, Trump won non-college educated white voters by 27 points and in Wisconsin by 28 points. Among college educated whites, Trump lost in Minnesota by 9 points whilst losing the same group in Wisconsin by 12 points. The crucial difference was the proportions, in Minnesota only 37% of voters were whites without a college degree while the same figure in Wisconsin was 47%, that completely accounts for why MN went C+1.4 and WI went T+0.7, the 2.1% difference was completely a product of the 10 point gap in the share of voters who were non-college educated whites.

I can't post links since I don't enough posts but the data I have is from the CNN exit polls.
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2017, 04:36:59 AM »

The DFL is a legitimately superior political party - probably one of the best examples of any state Democratic Party in the country - compared to the state GOP, complete with deep local roots all across the state and a culture that is synonymous with the state itself.

This gives it a natural advantage compared to neighboring states and has ensured that the GOP doesn't have a prayer unless there is a national blow-out and/or a very good GOP candidate. Even then, a GOP win in the state is going to almost always be under 50% and by a hair in terms of margin.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 09:37:44 AM »

The DFL is a legitimately superior political party - probably one of the best examples of any state Democratic Party in the country - compared to the state GOP, complete with deep local roots all across the state and a culture that is synonymous with the state itself.

This gives it a natural advantage compared to neighboring states and has ensured that the GOP doesn't have a prayer unless there is a national blow-out and/or a very good GOP candidate. Even then, a GOP win in the state is going to almost always be under 50% and by a hair in terms of margin.

This. The DFL has done a good job of remaining competitive with rural whites. Only Trump's near-win combined with a bit of division between the urban and rural factions of the DFL allowed them to take the state legislature.

Also, Minnesota's population is more educated than other midwestern states, and slightly less white.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2017, 09:52:51 AM »


Neat stat.  So, why did it stay blue, though?  LOL.
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2017, 10:26:12 AM »

Minnesota is a "lucky" state. It's been voting Democrat since 1976, but not by overwhelming margins. Granted, Trump has been closest to flipping it since Ronald Reagan in 1984. I think Minnesota will eventually go Republican, then go solid red by 2032.
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