How would you have voted?: United States Presidential Elections

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

In reality, I would have abstained from voting in many of these "lesser of two evils" contests, but since I was supposed to be typing up a report, why not waste time filling out this whole list....



1789: Washington (i)
1792: Washington (F)
1796: Adams (F)
1800: Jefferson (D-R)
1804: Jefferson (D-R)
1808: Madison (D-R)
1812: Clinton (F)
1816: Monroe (D-R)
1820: Monroe (D-R)
1824: J. Q. Adams (D-R)
1828: J. Q. Adams (NR)
1832: Jackson (D)
1836: Van Buren (D)
1840: Van Buren (D)
1844: Birney (L)
1848: Van Buren (FS)
1852: Hale (FS)
1856: Frémont (R)
1860: Douglas (D)
1864: McClellan  (D)
1868: Seymour  (D)
1872: Greeley (LR/D)
1876: Tilden (D)
1880: Hancock (D)
1884: Cleveland (D)
1888: Cleveland (D)
1892: Cleveland (D)
1896: Palmer  (ND)
1900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Taft (R)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Coolidge (R)
1928: Smith (D)
1932: Hoover (R)
1936: Lemke (U)
1940: R. Taft (primary+write-in) (R)
1944: R. Taft (primary+write-in) (R)
1948: R. Taft (primary+write-in) (R)
1952: Stevenson (D)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Nixon (R)
1964: Goldwater (R)
1968: McCarthy (primary+write-in) (D)    
1972: McGovern (D)
1976: Carter (D)
1980: Carter (D)
1984: Bergland  (L)
1988: Paul (L)
1992: Perot (I)
1996: Browne (L)
2000: Buchanan (Ref)    
2004: Nader (G)
2008: Paul (primary+write-in) (R)

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1892, of course, being my proudest vote.

Wait, you would support Nixon over McGovern?!

That is indeed pretty ridiculous.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1892, of course, being my proudest vote.

Wait, you would support Nixon over McGovern?!

In retrospect, no. I tried to put myself in the wayback machine for that one. Nixon gets a bad wrap that isn't always deserved.

It isn't? What exactly is so great about Nixon that everyone seems to be missing?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

2000: Buchanan (Ref)    
2004: Nader (G)

what are your issues again?

My issues?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1892, of course, being my proudest vote.

Wait, you would support Nixon over McGovern?!

In retrospect, no. I tried to put myself in the wayback machine for that one. Nixon gets a bad wrap that isn't always deserved.

It isn't? What exactly is so great about Nixon that everyone seems to be missing?

The fact that his 1972 opponent was not-so-great.

Nixon was one of America's worst presidents, while his 1972 opponents formed one of the last decent tickets to be nominated by the Democratic Party.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1892, of course, being my proudest vote.

Wait, you would support Nixon over McGovern?!

In retrospect, no. I tried to put myself in the wayback machine for that one. Nixon gets a bad wrap that isn't always deserved.

It isn't? What exactly is so great about Nixon that everyone seems to be missing?

The fact that his 1972 opponent was not-so-great.

From a libertarian socialist perspective, McGovern was very nearly perfect.

Fixed that for you.

Huh? Are you a libertarian? While not "perfect," McGovern was much better than Nixon from a libertarian perspective...

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

The American Conservative wrote an excellent "revisionist" profile of McGovern: Come Home, America. imo, it should be required reading for any "libertarian."

To this day, McGovern's reputation remains muddied due solely to the misrepresentations of his enemies, rather than on the actual George McGovern. The victors get to write the history books after all...

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1896: Bryan (D)
1900: Bryan (D)
1908: Bryan (D)

Hey, good list; I'm just trying to understand what it is you like about Bryan?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1896: Bryan (D)
1900: Bryan (D)
1908: Bryan (D)

Hey, good list; I'm just trying to understand what it is you like about Bryan?

I'm pro silver.

I personally prefer silver to gold, but that's not a good reason to wreck the economy.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1896: Bryan (D)
1900: Bryan (D)
1908: Bryan (D)

Hey, good list; I'm just trying to understand what it is you like about Bryan?

I'm pro silver.

I personally prefer silver to gold, but that's not a good reason to wreck the economy.

Hmm.

WJB's populist agenda was just part of a slippery slope anyway. He just wanted to promise lots of short-term inflation to further his demagogic career. If silver stocks ran low, he'd have been demanding something else be done to loosen monetary policies. Eventually we'd get to where we are today with government fiat money printed at will.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I did some more research, kicked off pro-war dicks and added Primaries/Conventions.


1789: George Washington and George Clinton
1792: George Washington and George Clinton
1796: Thomas Jefferson and George Clinton
1800: Thomas Jefferson and John Jay
1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: George Clinton
1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: Rufus King
1820: John Quincy Adams
1824: John Quincy Adams
1828: John Quincy Adams
1832: Henry Clay
1836: William Henry Harrison C: Daniel Webster
1840: William Henry Harrison C: Winfield Scott
1844: James Birney C: Martin Van Buren
1848: Martin Van Buren C: John Hale
1852: John Hale C: Winfield Scott
1856: John Fremont C: John Fremont
1860: Abraham Lincoln C: Salmon Chase
1864: Abraham Lincoln
1868: Ulysses Grant C: Winfield Hancock
1872: Horace Greeley C: Horace Greeley
1876: Peter Cooper C: Samuel Tilden
1880: James B. Weaver C: Winfield Hancock
1884: Benjamin F. Butler C: Thomas Hendricks
1888: Alson Streeter C: John Sherman
1892: James Weaver C: Horace Boies
1896: Charles Matchett C: Richard Bland
1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Eugene Debs
1908: Eugene Debs C: Robert LaFollette
1912: Eugene Debs P: Robert LaFollette
1916: Allan Benson P: Robert LaFollette
1920: Eugene Debs P: Hiram Johnson
1924: Robert LaFollette P: Hiram Johnson
1928: Norman Thomas P: George Norris
1932: Norman Thomas P: George Norris
1936: Norman Thomas P: William Borah
1940: Norman Thomas
1944: Norman Thomas
1948: Norman Thomas P: Robert Taft
1952: Vincent Hallinan P: Robert Taft
1956: Eric Hass P: Estes Kefauver
1960: Eric Hass P: Wayne Morse
1964: Eric Hass
1968: Eugene McCarthy P: Eugene McCarthy
1972: George McGovern P: George McGovern
1976: Eugene McCarthy P: Mo Udall
1980: John Anderson P: Jerry Brown
1984: David Bergland P: Unpledged
1988: Ron Paul P: Paul Simon
1992: Ross Perot P: Jerry Brown
1996: Ralph Nader P: Ralph Nader
2000: Ralph Nader P: Bill Bradley
2004: David Cobb P: Howard Dean
2008: Ralph Nader P: Mike Gravel

A much improved list.

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Why on earth would you vote for Mondale in 1984 but then vote for Reagan's VP in 1988?

I'm guessing that's aimed at me. Reagan < Mondale < Bush

Mondale was the lesser of two evils, and Bush was much more appealing to me than Reagan.

How? Bush 41 was one of the worst ever.

Sorry Giovanni, but if you would vote for Mondale over Reagan, then you probably shouldn't be in the GOP.

True, Reagan was bad, but Mondale was trash. The Dems should have nominated Hart.

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Why on earth would you vote for Mondale in 1984 but then vote for Reagan's VP in 1988?

I'm guessing that's aimed at me. Reagan < Mondale < Bush

Mondale was the lesser of two evils, and Bush was much more appealing to me than Reagan.

How? Bush 41 was one of the worst ever.

Sorry Giovanni, but if you would vote for Mondale over Reagan, then you probably shouldn't be in the GOP.

Yeah, Mondale was just pathetic.

Not significantly moreso than Reagan.

For all Reagan's flaws, Mondale was not someone to accept as an alternative. Of course, if he were, he would have won a state other than MN (a .18% win, mind you, and Reagan refused to campaign there).

That's why I'd have voted for Bergland. But in a two-man race, I'd have either voted Mondale or absented.

Why ever vote for Mondale?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Why ever vote for Reagan?

Why ever vote for Reagan or Mondale or Bush or Dukakis or Dole or Clinton or Bush II or Gore or Kerry or McCain or Obama?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Bush 04 with retrospect?

I'd want Bush to get the blame for the financial crisis and resulting Great Recession so that a Democrat will be elected in 2008 and possibly 2012 and 2016. If Kerry won in 2004, we'd possibly be looking at a Republican President and Congress right now and possibly for a very long time nonstop.

Right, so you'd put the country through four more years of Bush hell because you wanted that to result in four-eight years of Obama hell. Great.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Bush 04 with retrospect?

I'd want Bush to get the blame for the financial crisis and resulting Great Recession so that a Democrat will be elected in 2008 and possibly 2012 and 2016. If Kerry won in 2004, we'd possibly be looking at a Republican President and Congress right now and possibly for a very long time nonstop.

Right, so you'd put the country through four more years of Bush hell because you wanted that to result in four-eight years of Obama hell. Great.

I'd prefer Kerry as the scape-goat...

I'd prefer neither....

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1789: George Washington and George Clinton
1792: George Washington and George Clinton
1796: Thomas Jefferson and George Clinton
1800: Thomas Jefferson and John Jay
1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: George Clinton
1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: Rufus King
1820: John Quincy Adams
1824: John Quincy Adams
1828: John Quincy Adams
1832: Henry Clay
1836: William Henry Harrison C: Daniel Webster
1840: James Birney C: Winfield Scott
1844: James Birney C: Martin Van Buren
1848: Martin Van Buren C: John Hale
1852: John Hale C: Winfield Scott
1856: John Fremont C: John Fremont
1860: Abraham Lincoln C: Salmon Chase
1864: Abraham Lincoln
1868: Ulysses Grant C: Winfield Hancock
1872: Horace Greeley C: Horace Greeley
1876: Peter Cooper C: Samuel Tilden
1880: James B. Weaver C: Winfield Hancock
1884: Benjamin F. Butler C: Thomas Hendricks
1888: Alson Streeter C: John Sherman
1892: James Weaver C: Horace Boies
1896: Charles Matchett C: Richard Bland
1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Eugene Debs
1908: Eugene Debs C: Robert LaFollette
1912: Eugene Debs P: Robert LaFollette
1916: Allan Benson P: Robert LaFollette
1920: Eugene Debs P: Hiram Johnson
1924: Robert LaFollette P: Hiram Johnson
1928: Norman Thomas P: George Norris
1932: Norman Thomas P: George Norris
1936: Norman Thomas P: William Borah
1940: Norman Thomas
1944: Norman Thomas
1948: Norman Thomas P: Robert Taft
1952: Eric Hass P: Robert Taft
1956: Eric Hass P: Estes Kefauver
1960: Eric Hass P: Wayne Morse
1964: Eric Hass
1968: Eugene McCarthy P: Eugene McCarthy
1972: George McGovern P: George McGovern
1976: Eugene McCarthy P: Mo Udall
1980: John Anderson P: Jerry Brown
1984: David Bergland P: George McGovern
1988: Ron Paul P: Paul Simon
1992: Ross Perot P: Jerry Brown
1996: Ralph Nader P: Ralph Nader
2000: Ralph Nader P: Bill Bradley
2004: David Cobb P: Howard Dean
2008: Ralph Nader P: Mike Gravel



three changes

I was previously wondering why you wouldn't have backed McGovern in '84...

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Probably vote straight GOP since 1856.

You do realize that the GOP and the Democrats have completely switched on most issues since this time?

Actually most issues have themselves completely changed since that time.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Revised slightly, and including primaries.

1789: Washington (i)
1792: Washington (F)
1796: Adams (F)
1800: Jefferson (D-R)
1804: Jefferson (D-R)
1808: Madison (D-R)
1812: Clinton (F)
1816: Monroe (D-R)
1820: Monroe (D-R)
1824: J. Q. Adams (D-R)
1828: J. Q. Adams (NR)
1832: Jackson (D)
1836: Van Buren (D)
1840: Van Buren (D)
1844: Birney (L)
1848: Van Buren (FS)
1852: Hale (FS)
1856: Frémont (R)
1860: Douglas (D)
1864: McClellan  (D)
1868: Seymour  (D)
1872: Greeley (LR/D)
1876: Tilden (D)
1880: Hancock (D)
1884: Cleveland (D)
1888: Cleveland (D)
1892: Cleveland (D)
1896: Palmer  (ND)
1900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D) P: Parker
1908: Taft (R) P: La Follette
1912: Taft (R) P: La Follette
1916: Hughes (R) P: Weeks
1920: Harding (R) P: Harding
1924: Coolidge (R) P: Coolidge
1928: Smith (D) P: Smith
1932: Hoover (R) P: Smith
1936: Landon (R) P: Borah
1940: Willkie (R) P: Taft
1944: Dewey (R) P: Taft
1948: Dewey (R) P: Taft
1952: Stevenson (D) P: Taft
1956: Eisenhower (R) P: Stevenson
1960: Nixon (R) P: Morse
1964: Goldwater (R) P: Goldwater
1968: McCarthy (I) P: McCarthy
1972: McGovern (D) P: McGovern
1976: McCarthy (I) P: Carter
1980: Carter (D) P: Carter
1984: Bergland  (L) P: Hart
1988: Paul (L) P: Kemp
1992: Perot (I) P: Buchanan
1996: Browne (L) P: Buchanan
2000: Buchanan (Ref) P: McCain 
2004: Nader (I) P: Dean
2008: Nader (I) P: Paul

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1964: Goldwater (R) P: Goldwater

But you call LBJ bad for Vietnam?

Yes, I do, and he was.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1952: Stevenson (D) P: Taft
1956: Eisenhower (R) P: Stevenson
1960: Nixon (R) P: Morse
1964: Goldwater (R) P: Goldwater
1968: McCarthy (I) P: McCarthy
1972: McGovern (D) P: McGovern
1976: McCarthy (I) P: Carter
1980: Carter (D) P: Carter
1984: Bergland  (L) P: Hart
1988: Paul (L) P: Kemp
1992: Perot (I) P: Buchanan
1996: Browne (L) P: Buchanan
2000: Buchanan (Ref) P: McCain 
2004: Nader (I) P: Dean
2008: Nader (I) P: Paul

Ha ha, you're all over the place. 

Wait a minute, you would vote Stevenson in the primaries in '56 and then vote against him in the general?
Why?

There was no real Republican primary that year to challenge Eisenhower.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1952: Stevenson (D) P: Taft
1956: Eisenhower (R) P: Stevenson
1960: Nixon (R) P: Morse
1964: Goldwater (R) P: Goldwater
1968: McCarthy (I) P: McCarthy
1972: McGovern (D) P: McGovern
1976: McCarthy (I) P: Carter
1980: Carter (D) P: Carter
1984: Bergland  (L) P: Hart
1988: Paul (L) P: Kemp
1992: Perot (I) P: Buchanan
1996: Browne (L) P: Buchanan
2000: Buchanan (Ref) P: McCain 
2004: Nader (I) P: Dean
2008: Nader (I) P: Paul

Ha ha, you're all over the place. 

Wait a minute, you would vote Stevenson in the primaries in '56 and then vote against him in the general?
Why?

There was no real Republican primary that year to challenge Eisenhower.

Yet you vote for Stevenson in '52..........
What difference was there between '52 and '56 that made you prefer Eisenhower the second time around?

Eisenhower's presidency wasn't so bad.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1948: Strom Thurmond (SR)

You know he was an extreme racist, right? Even Goldwater appeared moderate in comparison to him, and you would have voted against Godlwater.

I choose Thurmond because he is from the south, and i choose Johnson because of his ad campaign.

How come you didn't vote for George Wallace in 1968? He's from the South.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I would not vote for Wallace because he was not experienced enough to be president in my opinion, when Nixon led a smart, and hard hitting  campaign.

Thurmond was only governor for two years before his 1948 campaign. Wallace at least finished his first term as governor before 1968.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Ah, what the hell, here's my list with only the major party candidates...

1789: Washington (i)
1792: Washington (F)
1796: Adams (F)
1800: Jefferson (D-R)
1804: Jefferson (D-R)
1808: Madison (D-R)
1812: Clinton (F)
1816: Monroe (D-R)
1820: Monroe (D-R)
1824: J. Q. Adams (D-R)
1828: J. Q. Adams (NR)
1832: Jackson (D)
1836: Van Buren (D)
1840: Van Buren (D)
1844: Polk (D)
1848: Taylor (W)
1852: Scott (W)
1856: Frémont (R)
1860: Lincoln (R)
1864: McClellan (D)
1868: Seymour (D)
1872: Greeley (LR/D)
1876: Tilden (D)
1880: Hancock (D)
1884: Cleveland (D)
1888: Cleveland (D)
1892: Cleveland (D)
1896: McKinley (R)
1900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Taft (R)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Coolidge (R)
1928: Smith (D)
1932: Hoover (R)
1936: Landon (R)
1940: Willkie (R)
1944: Dewey (R)
1948: Dewey (R)
1952: Eisenhower (R)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Kennedy (D)
1964: Goldwater (R)
1968: Humphrey (D)    
1972: McGovern (D)
1976: Carter (D)
1980: Carter (D)
1984: Reagan (R)
1988: Bush (R)
1992: Bush (R)
1996: Dole (R)
2000: Bush (R)    
2004: Kerry (D)
2008: McCain (R)