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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« on: October 12, 2010, 04:40:46 PM »

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.
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tpfkaw
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 06:49:33 PM »

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.

Kennedy/Ford was a sociopath? Or are you refering to a different streak?

Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon
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tpfkaw
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 08:52:18 PM »

Kennedy was willing to risk ending human civilization in order to make himself look slightly more tough on foreign policy.  He spent his entire life as a non-stop pleasure party while everyone else did the heavy lifting and the hard work for him.  If he wasn't a sociopath, he almost certainly was something along that spectrum - at least Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 09:49:39 PM »
« Edited: October 13, 2010, 11:18:01 PM by wormyguy »

Anyways:

(I'll indicate where I would change my vote with hindsight or where I would change my vote in a ranked voting system).  I'm also only doing candidates who were on the ballot or were qualified write-in candidates in Massachusetts.

1789:  Uhh . . . George Washington (independent Federalist)
1792:  Uhh . . . George Washington (independent Federalist)
1796: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1800: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1804: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1808: James Madison (Republican)
1812: DeWitt Clinton (Federalist)
1816: James Monroe (Republican)
1820: Uhh . . . James Monroe (Republican)
1824: William Crawford (Republican)
1828: Andrew Jackson (Andrew Jackson Party)
1832: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)
1836: Daniel Webster (Mass. Whig)
1840: James Birney (Liberty)
1844: James Birney (Liberty)
1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852: Daniel Webster (Union)
1856: John Fremont (Republican)
1860: John Bell (Constitutional Union)
1864: George McClellan (Democratic)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Charles O'Conor (Straight-Out Democrat)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democratic)
1880: Winfield Hancock (Democratic)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1888: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1892: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1896: John Palmer (National Democratic)
1900: William McKinley (Republican)
1904: Alton Parker (Democratic)
1908: William Taft (Republican)
1912: William Taft (Republican)
1916: Charles Hughes (Republican)
1920: Warren Harding (Republican)
1924: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1928: Al Smith (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon (Republican)
1940: Wendell Willkie (Republican)
1944: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1948: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1960: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1964: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1968: Richard Nixon (Republican)  With hindsight: Eugene McCarthy (independent)
1972: George McGovern (Democratic)  With ranked voting: John Schmitz (American)
1976: Genuinely undecided, lean Jimmy Carter (Democratic)  With ranked voting: Roger MacBride (Libertarian)
1980: Ronald Reagan (Republican)  With ranked voting: Ed Clark (Libertarian)
1984: Ronald Reagan (Republican)  With ranked voting: David Bergland (Libertarian)
1988: George Bush (Republican)  With ranked voting: Ron Paul (Libertarian)
1992: Ross Perot (independent)  With ranked voting: Andre Marrou (Libertarian)
1996: Bob Dole (Republican)  With ranked voting: Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2000: George Bush (Republican)  With hindsight or ranked voting: Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2004: John Kerry (Democratic)  With ranked voting: Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)
2008: Bob Barr (Libertarian)

Yes, I occasionally would have supported unsavory characters.  I try to consider the candidates based on their platforms, not their personalities, and in the case of several evils I try to choose the least of them.  That does not imply I endorse their entire platform or take issue with the entire platform of other candidates, nor does it imply that I have a high opinion of the person.  I've bolded the candidates whom I have a high personal opinion of.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 10:27:57 PM »

Thanks for confirming that you have a fake PM score, wormyguy.

If I felt like having a fake PM score, it would certainly be +10, -10.  I can defend any one of those votes from a libertarian position, even if (in many cases), it's simply a vote for the lesser of two evils.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 10:41:08 PM »

There is no way a Jackson, Van Buren (1836), Nixon, Schmitz, Reagan, Bush vote has a lower Social score then me.

I didn't know you were such a big fan of slavery.

Jackson: tariff & national bank

Van Buren: tariff & slavery

Nixon: anti-war platform (also was no more or less of a social liberal than his opponents)

Schmitz: anti-war, civil liberties, economic freedom.  A real creep personally, but had the best platform.  You may note that my unranked vote is for McGovern.

Reagan: taxes & entitlement programs

Bush: ditto
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 10:49:05 PM »

To get my economic score you need to put "this is a critical issue to me."  No politicians are advocating the legalization of prostitution, for example, so whatever its criticality to me, and I do find it important, it's irrelevant to how I'm going to vote.  Van Buren was the only anti-slavery candidate in 1836.
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tpfkaw
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 11:20:46 PM »

I forgot about Webster in 1836.  List amended with my favorite politician of the period.  Van Buren still was more anti-slavery than his other Whig opponents.  Jackson, Adams, and Clay all had the exact same position on slavery.
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tpfkaw
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 11:39:30 PM »

Indian Removal did occur under Jackson and Van Buren, but it must be remembered that 1. it's not like Jackson and Van Buren's political opponents had modern, enlightened views vis-a-vis the Indians, and 2. the Indians would have likely been exterminated by settlers had they not been relocated.  Jackson and Van Buren also didn't have the bizarre obsessions with taking away free speech rights and/or getting into fights with random foreign countries that typified their political opponents.

Van Buren changed his mind on tariffs.

Hence why I change my vote for Nixon to one for McCarthy in hindsight.

Schmitz was messed up - but look at Grover Cleveland (and his opponents!).  I decided to make my list by giving each candidate's platform a fair shake, and Schmitz's was closest to mine in 1972.  To be honest, I likely still wouldn't vote for him, but judging simply by the standards of their political platforms, his was the best.

Reagan spent 8 years in office with remarkably little foreign intervention for a 20th-century president.  Nobody "let the social cons lead the Republicans."  If anything, that happened after 1996.  It's not like Carter or Mondale opposed the War on Drugs.  I don't know who the last president to run mainly surpluses was - Coolidge?  In any case, there would not be an economic conservative movement in the US today without Reagan, so he's a necessary evil for my goals.

Hence why I change my vote to Browne (Vice-President Lieberman after 9/11 scares me, especially if they succeed in flying a plane into the White House . . .) in 2000 with hindsight, and choose Kerry in '04.  You may recall that Bush campaigned on a "humble foreign policy."
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2010, 09:29:57 AM »

Reagan spent 8 years in office with remarkably little foreign intervention for a 20th-century president.

what

It's true.  His presidency was marked by a conspicuous lack of sending American troops into harm's way.  Beyond the hawkish rhetoric, Reagan was, policy-wise, quite the dove (as he apparently was in private, too - he was terrified of having his own Vietnam, hence the immediate withdrawal from Lebanon when SHTF).

You may recall that Bush campaigned on a "humble foreign policy."
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Well, yes, I would have.  Given that the Republicans opposed Kosovo and nearly all of Clinton's other misadventures.  I was stupid enough to fall for it in '08, when I both voted in the Democratic primary for Obama and even sent $50 to his campaign, under the mistaken impression that he actually wanted to end the wars.
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tpfkaw
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E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 09:18:39 AM »
« Edited: February 07, 2011, 09:55:53 AM by The Better Version of Reagan »

1789/1792: N/A
1796/1800/1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison

1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: James Monroe
1820: N/A
1824: William Crawford
1828: Andrew Jackson

1832: William Wirt
1836: Daniel Webster
1840: Martin Van Buren
1844: James Birney
1848: Martin Van Buren
1852: John Hale

1856: John Frémont
1860: John Bell
1864: George McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Charles O'Conor
1876: Samuel Tilden
1880: Winfield Hancock
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland

1896: John Palmer
1900: William McKinley
1904: Alton Parker
1908/1912: William Taft
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge

1928: Al Smith
1932: Herbert Hoover
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Willkie
1944/1948: Thomas Dewey
1952/1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Barry Goldwater

1968: Eugene McCarthy (write-in)
1972: George McGovern
1976: Jimmy Carter

1980/1984: Ronald Reagan
1988: Ron Paul
1992: Andre Marrou

1996: Bob Dole
2000: Harry Browne
2004: John Kerry
2008: Ron Paul (write-in)

Democrats and Democratic-Republicans: 21 (22)
Republicans and Whigs: 21
Libertarians: 3
Liberty/Free Soilers: 3
Bourbon Democrats: 2
Write-ins: 2
Independents: (2)
Constitutional Unionists: 1
Anti-Masonics: 1
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 05:29:52 PM »
« Edited: March 03, 2011, 03:41:22 PM by Moloch »

Hmm... MA Senate


1916: Ugh, John Fitzgerald (D)
1918: David Walsh (D)
1922: William Gaston (D)
1924: David Walsh (D)
1926 (S): David Walsh (D)
1928: David Walsh (D)
1930: Marcus Coolidge (D)
1934: David Walsh (D)

1936: Henry Lodge, Jr. (R)
1940: David Walsh (D)
1942: Henry Lodge, Jr. (R)
1944 (S): Leverett Saltonstall (R)

1946: David Walsh (D)
1948: Leverett Saltonstall (R)
1952: Henry Lodge, Jr. (R)
1954: Leverett Saltonstall (R)
1958: Vincent Celeste (R)
1960: Leverett Saltonstall (R)
1962 (S): George Lodge (R)
1964: Howard Whitmore, Jr. (R)
1966: Edward Brooke (R)
1970: Josiah Spaulding (R)
1972: Edward Brooke (R)
1976: Michael Robertson (R)

1978: Paul Tsongas (D)
1982: Howard Katz (L)
1984: Ray Shamie (R)
1988: Freda Nason (L)
1990: Jim Rappaport (R)
1994: Lauraleigh Dozier (L)
1996: Bill Weld (R)
2000: Carla Howell (L)
2002: Michael Cloud (L)

2006: Kenneth Chase (R)
2008: Robert Underwood (L)
2010 (S): Scott Brown (R)
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2011, 08:41:29 PM »

1789/1792: N/A
1796/1800/1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison

1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: James Monroe
1820: N/A
1824: William Crawford
1828: Andrew Jackson

1832: William Wirt
1836: Daniel Webster (tempted to change this to Van Buren due to monetary policy, but I'll leave him be for now b/c of Van Buren's Indian policy)
1840: Martin Van Buren
1844: James Birney
1848: Martin Van Buren
1852: John Hale

1856: John Frémont (tempted to change this to Buchanan, but I'll give Frémont the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't turn out a Lincoln - also a valid protest vote since he had no chance of winning)
1860: John Bell
1864: George McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Charles O'Conor 1872: Horace Greeley
1876: Samuel Tilden
1880: Winfield Hancock
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland

1896: John Palmer
1900: William McKinley 1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Alton Parker
1908/1912: William Taft
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge

1928: Al Smith
1932: Herbert Hoover
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Willkie
1944/1948: Thomas Dewey
1952/1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Barry Goldwater

1968: Eugene McCarthy (write-in)
1972: George McGovern
1976: Jimmy Carter
1980/1984: Ronald Reagan
1988: Ron Paul
1992: Andre Marrou

1996: Bob Dole
2000: Harry Browne
2004: John Kerry 2004: Michael Badnarik
2008: Ron Paul (write-in)
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 09:37:40 AM »
« Edited: May 30, 2011, 01:32:12 PM by negoiate the bondaries »

I'm bored so I'll do this without hindsight too.

1789/1792: N/A
1796/1800/1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808/1812: James Madison
1816: James Monroe

1820: N/A
1824: Andrew Jackson
1828/1832: Andrew Jackson
1836/1840: Martin Van Buren

1844: James Birney
1848: Martin Van Buren
1852: John Hale

1856: John Frémont
1860: Abraham Lincoln

1864: George McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Horace Greeley
1876: Samuel Tilden
1880: Winfield Hancock
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland

1896: John Palmer
1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Alton Parker
1908: William Taft
1912: Woodrow Wilson
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge

1928: Al Smith
1932: Franklin Roosevelt

1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Willkie
1944/1948: Thomas Dewey
1952/1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon
1964: Barry Goldwater
1968: Richard Nixon

1972: George McGovern
1976: Jimmy Carter
1980/1984: Ronald Reagan
1988: George Bush

1992: Ross Perot
1996: Ross Perot

2000: George Bush
2004: John Kerry
2008: Ron Paul (write-in)
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wormyguy
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2011, 02:25:09 PM »

Assuming major party candidates only (otherwise a number of them would be different)

1788: George Washington, Independent
1792: George Washington, Independent

1796: Thomas Jefferson, Democratic-Republican
1800: Thomas Jefferson, Democratic-Republican
1804: Thomas Jefferson, Democratic-Republican
1808: James Madison, Democratic-Republican
1812: James Madison, Democratic-Republican
1816: James Monroe, Democratic-Republican
1820: James Monroe, Democratic-Republican
1824: Andrew Jackson, Democratic-Republican
1828: Andrew Jackson, Democratic
1832: Andrew Jackson, Democratic

1836: Daniel Webster, Whig
1840: William H. Harrison, Whig
1844: Henry Clay, Whig
1848: Zachary Taylor, Whig
1852: Winfield Scott, Whig

1856: John C. Fremont, Republican
1860: Stephen Douglas, Northern Democratic
1864: Abraham Lincoln, Union
1868: Ulysses S. Grant, Republican
1872: Ulysses S. Grant, Republican
1876: Rutherford B. Hayes, Republican
1880: James A. Garfield, Republican

1884: Grover Cleveland, Democratic
1888: Benjamin Harrison, Republican
1892: Benjamin Harrison, Republican
1896: William McKinley, Republican
1900: William McKinley, Republican
1904: Theodore Roosevelt, Republican
1908: William Taft, Republican

1912: Woodrow Wilson, Democratic
1916: Woodrow Wilson, Democratic
1920: James M. Cox, Democratic
1924: John Davis, Democratic

1928: Herbert Hoover, Republican
1932: Herbert Hoover, Republican

1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Democratic
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Democratic
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Democratic
1948: Harry S. Truman, Democratic
1952: Adlai Stevenson, Democratic
1956: Adlai Stevenson, Democratic
1960: John F. Kennedy, Democratic

1964: Barry Goldwater, Republican
1968: Hubert H. Humphrey, Democratic
1972: George McGovern, Democratic
1976: Jimmy Carter, Democratic
1980: Jimmy Carter, Democratic
1984: Walter Mondale, Democratic
1988: Michael Dukakis, Democratic
1992: Bill Clinton, Democratic
1996: Bill Clinton, Democratic
2000: Al Gore, Democratic
2004: John Kerry, Democratic
2008: Barack Obama, Democratic


This is possibly the most bizarre list yet posted in this thread.
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tpfkaw
wormyguy
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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 07:39:28 PM »

I guess I'll do primaries.

1960: Barry Goldwater (write-in); Adlai Stevenson or Wayne Morse with hindsight
1964: Barry Goldwater; Barry Goldwater (write-in)
1968: Eugene McCarthy (write-in); Eugene McCarthy
1972: Pete McCloskey; Eugene McCarthy
1976: Ronald Reagan; Fred Harris, Jerry Brown if I can chose candidates who weren't running at the time of the MA primary.
1980: Ronald Reagan; Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown if I can chose candidates who weren't running at the time of the MA primary.
1984: Barry Goldwater Jr. (write-in); George McGovern
1988: Jack Kemp or Pat Robertson with hindsight; Eugene McCarthy (write-in)
1992: Pat Buchanan; Jerry Brown
1996: Steve Forbes or Pat Buchanan with hindsight; Ross Perot (write-in)
2000: Steve Forbes; Bill Bradley
2004: Ron Paul (write-in); Dennis Kucinich
2008: Ron Paul; Mike Gravel*

*I very stupidly voted for Obama IRL, however I don't think I would with my present views even without hindsight.
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Political Matrix
E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2011, 04:44:22 PM »
« Edited: July 09, 2011, 04:49:30 PM by Amoralfag »

1789/1792: N/A
1796/1800/1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison

1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: James Monroe
1820: N/A
1824: William Crawford
1828: Andrew Jackson

1832: William Wirt
1836: Daniel Webster (tempted to change this to Van Buren due to monetary policy, but I'll leave him be for now b/c of Van Buren's Indian policy)
1840: Martin Van Buren
1844: James Birney
1848: Martin Van Buren
1852: John Hale

1856: John Frémont 1856: James Buchanan (better him than a murderer)
1860: John Bell
1864: George McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Horace Greeley
1876: Samuel Tilden
1880: Winfield Hancock
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland

1896: John Palmer
1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Alton Parker
1908/1912: William Taft
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge

1928: Al Smith
1932: Herbert Hoover
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Willkie
1944/1948: Thomas Dewey

1936/1940/1944/1948: Robert Taft (write-in) (I'm growing increasingly less comfortable with choosing "lesser evils")
1952/1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: Richard Nixon 1960: Barry Goldwater (write-in) (can't bring myself to vote for Nixon)
1964: Barry Goldwater
1968: Eugene McCarthy (write-in) 1968: George Wallace (didn't previously know that he opposed Vietnam)
1972: George McGovern
1976/1980: Jimmy Carter
1980/1984: Ronald Reagan (Carter's far superior position re the War on Drugs was the catalyst for this change, also the conservative movement might've turned out better had Reagan lost in '80).
1988: Ron Paul
1992: Andre Marrou

1996: Bob Dole
2000: Harry Browne
2004: Michael Badnarik
2008: Ron Paul (write-in)
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wormyguy
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E: -0.58, S: 1.65

« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2011, 01:29:19 AM »
« Edited: August 21, 2011, 02:14:23 AM by Amoralfag »

Screw it, I'm voting my conscience.

1789/1792: N/A
1796/1800/1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison

1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: James Monroe
1820: N/A
1824: William Crawford
1828: Andrew Jackson

1832: William Wirt
1836: Daniel Webster
1840: Martin Van Buren
1844: James Birney
1848: Martin Van Buren
1852: John Hale

1856: James Buchanan (better him than a murderer)
1860: John Bell
1864: George McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Horace Greeley
1876: Samuel Tilden
1880: Winfield Hancock
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland

1896: John Palmer
1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Alton Parker
1908/1912: William Taft
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge

1928: Al Smith
1932/1936/1940: H.L. Mencken (write-in)
1944/1948: Howard Buffett (write-in)
1952: Douglas MacArthur (write-in)
1956: T. Coleman Andrews (write-in)
1960: Howard Buffett (write-in)
1964: Joseph Lightburn (write-in)
1968: Eugene McCarthy (write-in)
1972: John Hospers (write-in)
1976: Roger MacBride (write-in)
1980: Percy Greaves, Jr. (write-in)
1984: David Bergland (write-in)
1988: Ron Paul
1992: Andre Marrou

1996/2000: Harry Browne
2004: Michael Badnarik
2008: Ron Paul (write-in)
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2011, 01:35:31 PM »
« Edited: December 23, 2011, 01:37:03 PM by Remember Jeannette Rankin »

TJ, that was pretty unsurprising until the 20th century. You seem like you'd be a WHTaft/Hughes type.

That's another possibility. I was sort of debating about whether I'd love William Jennings Bryan or hate him and couldn't make up my mind, so I decided to have myself voting for him the last time he ran but none of the others. I'm also not sure what I would have thought of Teddy Roosevelt at the time either. Maybe I would have been a Taft fan though. I do think I would have been a Democrat during the 1920s and likely would have supported Woodrow Wilson. My great grandfather passionately hated FDR, so I'm going with that as for the reason why I wouldn't have voted for him.

In general, part of my conflict about this is because my modern day self wants to pick more conservative politicians, but if I were alive 100 years ago, since I am Catholic I would have been dirt poor. I can't imagine voting for as many Republicans as I would at first instict say I would. But then again, I could also see myself as the one random voter who goes against what everyone around me in socioeconomic status is doing. Still, someone like Calvin Coolidge might be too tall an order.

You're Catholic?  Then your entire 19th-century is laughable, since the Republican platform was all about how Catholics are subhuman until about 1936 or so (though Harding did successfully reach out to Catholics, winning a majority of their votes for the first time as a Republican).
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 10:53:33 AM »

Screw it, I'm voting my conscience.

1789/1792: N/A
1796/1800/1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison

1812: DeWitt Clinton
1816: James Monroe
1820: N/A
1824: William Crawford
1828: Andrew Jackson

1832: William Wirt
1836: Daniel Webster
1836/1840: Martin Van Buren
1844: James Birney
1848: Martin Van Buren
1852: John Hale

1856: James Buchanan (better him than a murderer)
1860: John Bell 1860: Stephen Douglas
1864: George McClellan
1868: Horatio Seymour

1872: Horace Greeley
1876: Samuel Tilden
1880: Winfield Hancock
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland

1896: John Palmer
1900: Eugene Debs
1904: Alton Parker
1908/1912: William Taft 1908/1912: Randolph Bourne (write-in)
1916: Charles Hughes
1920: Warren Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge

1928: Al Smith
1932/1936/1940: H.L. Mencken (write-in)
1944/1948: Howard Buffett (write-in)
1952: Douglas MacArthur (write-in)
1956: T. Coleman Andrews (write-in)
1960: Howard Buffett (write-in)
1964: Joseph Lightburn (write-in)
1968: Eugene McCarthy (write-in)
1972: John Hospers (write-in)
1976: Roger MacBride (write-in)
1980: Percy Greaves, Jr. (write-in)
1984: David Bergland (write-in)
1988: Ron Paul
1992: Andre Marrou

1996/2000: Harry Browne
2004: Michael Badnarik
2008: Ron Paul (write-in)
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 08:03:30 PM »

Massachusetts primaries:

52: Robert Taft

(No seriously contested primaries 56-60)

64: Barry Goldwater
68: Eugene McCarthy
72: George McGovern
76: Fred Harris
80: Jimmy Carter
84: George McGovern

88: Jack Kemp
92: Jerry Brown
96: Pat Buchanan
00: Bill Bradley
04: Dennis Kucinich

08: Ron Paul
12: Ron Paul
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2012, 04:24:00 PM »


Didn't take you for the Know-Nothing type. Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2012, 09:11:58 AM »

Mecha: You are aware that John Frémont was a murderer:

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The banksters of course waged the same sort of press campaign against Jackson as they would against a hypothetical President Ron Paul, but I'd expect you at least not to fall for that...
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2012, 10:52:36 AM »

FF, on balance.  He didn't "try to subvert American Democracy and turn it into American Monarchy" (which would be a good thing), in fact he created the notion that everything ought to be put to a popular referendum (his main long-term negative legacy besides his violent assault on states' rights).  The retarded Whig attack was because he (horrors of horrors) vetoed bills favored by the Whigs (all such bills were of the authoritarian dipsh**ttery category).

If it were not for Indian Removal (carried out under Van Buren, not Jackson) the Georgia militia (which outnumbered the US standing army of the time) would've massacred the five civilized tribes.  It was clearly the lesser evil, and the "third option" was not really an option (which is why it's only recent historians who've decided to passive-aggressively attack him on that even though it's really his economic policies they dislike).  Furthermore, several other POTUSes (most notably Lincoln and Grant) pursued much more violent policies towards the Indians than Jackson.

The spoils system was mostly Van Buren, but having the federal bureaucracy be easily bribed and replaced every few years was a (relative) good thing.
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 11:20:02 PM »
« Edited: July 24, 2013, 12:12:39 PM by Carlos Danger »

Without hindsight, if I had been me at the time:

Pre-1824: Republicans for state legislature
1824: Unpledged Republican
1828/1832: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)
1836/1840: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1844: James Polk (Democratic) (I imagine I'd be a very partisan Democrat, so probably not a Free Soiler).
1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil) (I *think* I'd be for Van Buren, since I'd be a big fan of his and he was the stronger ticket in MA, but like I said I'd be a very partisan Democrat)
1852: Franklin Pierce (Democratic)
1856: James Buchanan (Democratic)
1860: Stephen Douglas (Democratic)
1864: George McClellan (Democratic)
1868: Horatio Seymour (Democratic)
1872: Horace Greeley (Liberal Republican) (If I were involved with radical Democratic politics, I might write in Charles O'Conor)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democratic)
1880: Winfield Scott (Democratic)
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1896: John Palmer (Gold Democratic) (I'd find Bryan quite detestable, although I could certainly see party loyalty overcoming my misgivings here)
1900: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1904: Alton Parker (Democratic)
1908: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1912: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1916: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic) (First term was very bad, but Charles Hughes supported all the bad things in his first term and more and seemed more eager to involve the US in WWI)
1920: Warren Harding (Republican) (I'd feel sick to my stomach voting for a Republican, but ol' WW forced my hand...)
1924: John Davis (Democratic) (Return to the party fold here, probably.  Could see myself going for favorite son Coolidge, though)
1928: Al Smith (Democratic) (The most enthusiastic vote I'd ever cast!)
1932: Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1936: Alf Landon (Republican) (Once again, a Republican... eek!)
1940: Wendell Willkie (Republican) (I'd probably stop self-identifying as a Democrat when FDR was renominated the third time around)
1944: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1948: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) (Might go for Adlai this time, but unlikely)
1960: Richard Nixon (Republican) (Given my demographics there's a case for Kennedy but assuming I'm from the same family then definitely not, lol)
1964: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1968: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1972: Lean McGovern, I'd say.
1976: Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1980: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1984: David Bergland (Libertarian)
1988: Ron Paul (Libertarian)
1992: Tossup between Perot and Marrou
1996: Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2000: Harry Browne (Libertarian) (I'd have been tempted to vote for Bush though...)
2004: Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)
2008 Ron Paul (write-in)
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