Transgenderism and Transhumanism

[Blue3]

Transgenderism and Transhumanism... how related are these concepts in your mind?

Both are based on the idea of a civil right to "morphological freedom" and "self-ownership of body/mind). A right to one's body/mind, and the right to modify it according to one's desires. Your body, your choice, is what both are based on.



Transgenderism is about gender specifically, particularly for those who experience gender dysphoria (though not necessarily).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender


Transhumanism is more broad, and more about speculative technologies. It tends to go beyond mere designer babies or life extension or mere cloning, which still keep things human, and go beyond that, go beyond the human. The military has active research programs into transhumanism as well, such as trying to find a way to alter humans to work effectively without sleep, or that enhance body and mind, as well as robotic exoskeletons and artificial eyes. There are already some who have undergone extreme body modifications, but transhumanism is also usually thought of in regards to:

1. new safe drugs with great physical or psychological benefits
2. bioprinting to manufacture better and tougher than naturally-possible biological tissues/organs to replace existing ones and still be organic
3. advanced genetic engineering to make "better" (no genetic diseases, more positive traits, improved bodies, improved senses, improved minds... but still considered human)
4. advanced genetic engineering to allow more options beyond what's usually considered human (possibly looking like an animal or mythological creature or fictional extraterrestrial alien, or something of your own imagination)
5. adding cybernetic enhancements (but keeping a completely-human body)
6. replacing biological parts with robotic parts (to be stronger, smarter, etc.), the traditional "cyborg"
7. humans merging with advanced AI and nanotechnology
8. possibly mind-uploading into a computer, having solid-holographic avatars for the real world and godlike presence in cyberspace Virtual Reality universes and social networks, if proven possible one day
9. possibly transcending into energy beings, if proven possible one day
10. possibly joining together into a linked super-organism hive-mind, biologically and/or technologically, if proven possible one day
11. going beyond designer babies (which is just choosing the best traits from the list that's already human), there's the idea of "Procreative Liberty" that's usually paired with "Morphological Freedom," which is the right to create any offspring however you want to create them
12. beyond humans, uplifting nonhuman animals like Cats, Dogs, Dolphins, Elephants, Mice, etc. to Human-Level Intelligence and Capabilities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism#Debate






Here's some real extreme body modification... it doesn't count as transhumanism (probably) because it doesn't strengthen body or mind and they're just aesthetic changes, but shows the demand is already there.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

They are not related or comparable to each other at all.  Transgenderism refers to gender identity or an umbrella of gender identities, and trans and non-binary people have existed all throughout human history.  Transhumanism is a new movement that seeks to expand human capabilities to their highest potential through use of new and continuously improved technology, to the extent that technology becomes the driving force behind human evolution rather than natural selection.

A trans person doesn't want to expand their physical capabilities, only to match their physical traits (sex) to what they are psychologically (gender).

Extreme body modification doesn't fit into either of those categories, although there are some people who insist that they are actually dogs or cats or lizards and try to match their appearance to such.  But that's more of a subculture than an identity.

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I'm 100 percent in support of transgenderism. I have yet to make up my mind on whether I, personally, support transhumanism, but going against it would betray my principles and oppress free speech.

[DavidB.]

I "support" transgenderism (though I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but whatever; I support trans individuals and their well-being) and am on the fence regarding transhumanism.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

This thread is terrifying and needs to stop.

[dead0man]

it doesn't matter what I think about them, both should have every right to do what the hell they want to their bodies.  (normal, non-authoritarian answer)

didn't vote

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Support transgenderism (normal), opposes transhumanism (not body-modifications, but rather the idea of altering human biology to create "super-humans" or whatever those weirdos want to do).

[Santander]

They are not related or comparable to each other at all.  Transgenderism refers to gender identity or an umbrella of gender identities, and trans and non-binary people have existed all throughout human history.  Transhumanism is a new movement that seeks to expand human capabilities to their highest potential through use of new and continuously improved technology, to the extent that technology becomes the driving force behind human evolution rather than natural selection.

Transhumanism, as you describe, is not a new movement. Eugenics, folk medicine, etc. - the Devil's toys.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

support transḧumanism in principle but v wary of the strong possibility it'd reïnforce the rich/poor divide, among other things

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Obviously support trans rights, would support transhumanism with regulation to prevent a rich poor divide, stupid pointless things, inhumane treatment of people, etc

[Cory]

For the record those degenerates whose pictures you posted are not at all what the Transhumanist movement is about.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This thread is terrifying and needs to stop.

[Figueira]

This thread is terrifying and needs to stop.

[Blue3]

This thread is terrifying and needs to stop.

How and why? Transhumanism is the big social issue of the future. I'm trying to see if there's a correlation with transgenderism support.

For the record those degenerates whose pictures you posted are not at all what the Transhumanist movement is about.

As I said in my OP:
"Here's some real extreme body modification... it doesn't count as transhumanism (probably) because it doesn't strengthen body or mind and they're just aesthetic changes, but shows the demand is already there."

support transḧumanism in principle but v wary of the strong possibility it'd reïnforce the rich/poor divide, among other things

It's not only the Rich/Poor divide. There's also arguments to be made about...

-"Human" rights... if we'd still have equal rights, if they should inherently have "more" rights, etc. And ones that go wrong could be given "subhuman" status. Corporations/Governments could even intentionally create a right-less "subhuman" class to work as slaves.

-Fairness... what happens if Transhumans become so intelligent they think and communicate faster than it takes for one of us to form a short sentence or send a text... normal humans being "left behind" and feeling and being treated like we are all mentallyretarded. Not only be left behind... a Transhumanist dictator could come along too.

-Loss of something essential, "lost in translation," that we might not even understand at first. Perhaps we really do all have something similar to an immortal soul, but something transhumanist is done that causes it to be lost forever? Or without getting into souls... perhaps a change done unknowingly and unintentionally makes us lose an essential part of our personalities/memories and how we think/feel?

They are not related or comparable to each other at all.  Transgenderism refers to gender identity or an umbrella of gender identities, and trans and non-binary people have existed all throughout human history.  Transhumanism is a new movement that seeks to expand human capabilities to their highest potential through use of new and continuously improved technology, to the extent that technology becomes the driving force behind human evolution rather than natural selection.

Transhumanism, as you describe, is not a new movement. Eugenics, folk medicine, etc. - the Devil's toys.

Yeah, it's always been around.
Eugenics, selective breeding, Alchemy and the pursuit of eternal life, Gilgamesh, Superheroes like Superman and Spider-Man and Captain America, etc.
The desire has always been there.

And as I said, both transgenderism and transhumanism are both based on the idea of a Right To Morphological Freedom. It's your body, change it as you wish. Modern-day "transitions" fore transgender people were once the hypothesis of transhumanists.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

"The future" is terrifying and needs to stop. That's why.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

They are not related or comparable to each other at all.  Transgenderism refers to gender identity or an umbrella of gender identities, and trans and non-binary people have existed all throughout human history.  Transhumanism is a new movement that seeks to expand human capabilities to their highest potential through use of new and continuously improved technology, to the extent that technology becomes the driving force behind human evolution rather than natural selection.

Transhumanism, as you describe, is not a new movement. Eugenics, folk medicine, etc. - the Devil's toys.

Eugenics historically was strictly biological, not technological.  The concept of artificial intelligence and cyborgs (which is what transhumanists want people to essentially become) is extremely new.  Folk medicine is proven pseudoscientific nonsense, hence why no one outside of a select few religious/New Age groups tries "improving" them.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

They are not related or comparable to each other at all.  Transgenderism refers to gender identity or an umbrella of gender identities, and trans and non-binary people have existed all throughout human history.  Transhumanism is a new movement that seeks to expand human capabilities to their highest potential through use of new and continuously improved technology, to the extent that technology becomes the driving force behind human evolution rather than natural selection.

Transhumanism, as you describe, is not a new movement. Eugenics, folk medicine, etc. - the Devil's toys.

Yeah, it's always been around.
Eugenics, selective breeding, Alchemy and the pursuit of eternal life, Gilgamesh, Superheroes like Superman and Spider-Man and Captain America, etc.
The desire has always been there.

And as I said, both transgenderism and transhumanism are both based on the idea of a Right To Morphological Freedom. It's your body, change it as you wish. Modern-day "transitions" fore transgender people were once the hypothesis of transhumanists.

That is an argument they use, but transhumanists don't view themselves as "super humans" restricted by their biology in the way that transgender people do not "feel" the gender they were assigned at birth.

There's not much more to say than that, really.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Y'all need some Eclipse of Reason up in here.

[Blue3]

They are not related or comparable to each other at all.  Transgenderism refers to gender identity or an umbrella of gender identities, and trans and non-binary people have existed all throughout human history.  Transhumanism is a new movement that seeks to expand human capabilities to their highest potential through use of new and continuously improved technology, to the extent that technology becomes the driving force behind human evolution rather than natural selection.

Transhumanism, as you describe, is not a new movement. Eugenics, folk medicine, etc. - the Devil's toys.

Yeah, it's always been around.
Eugenics, selective breeding, Alchemy and the pursuit of eternal life, Gilgamesh, Superheroes like Superman and Spider-Man and Captain America, etc.
The desire has always been there.

And as I said, both transgenderism and transhumanism are both based on the idea of a Right To Morphological Freedom. It's your body, change it as you wish. Modern-day "transitions" fore transgender people were once the hypothesis of transhumanists.

That is an argument they use, but transhumanists don't view themselves as "super humans" restricted by their biology in the way that transgender people do not "feel" the gender they were assigned at birth.

There's not much more to say than that, really.

1. Some do feel they were meant to be more.


2. A century ago, the gender reassignment/surgery/hormone-treatments were the speculative hypotheses of Transhumanists.

[dead0man]

So, in 10-30 years when "designer" babies are a real thing, and for the first decade or so only the rich will be able to afford the process....the left is going to go bat sh**t aren't they?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Does anyone have any good reasons to oppose all human modification on principle? Something beyond "its just immoral", please.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

So, in 10-30 years when "designer" babies are a real thing, and for the first decade or so only the rich will be able to afford the process....the left is going to go bat sh**t aren't they?

We can only hope that whatever is left of the religious right has enough of their morals left to join with them.

I wish I were that optimistic.... [flashes to feared-of future; televangelists bow down amidst the smoldering ruins of DC, paying tribute to immortal half-bionic President Trump]

[Cory]

So, in 10-30 years when "designer" babies are a real thing, and for the first decade or so only the rich will be able to afford the process....the left is going to go bat sh**t aren't they?

The concept (at least in my eyes) would be to have the necessary social-democratic infrastructure in place soon enough to prevent the obvious class divide resulting from this technology.

Unfortunately many in Transhumanist circles are Internet Libertarians who utterly fail to see the trap they would be walking into if it was executed the way they envision.

[Technocracy Timmy]

I needed a good laugh after just getting off work today. Those pics did it for me, especially the 3rd one. Thank you