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« on: June 04, 2017, 09:55:42 pm »
« edited: December 19, 2017, 07:14:49 pm by Fernie Color of Melon »

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Saudi Arabia has joined Bahrain in severing all ties with the State of Qatar in the latest developments of Dohas widening rift with its Gulf neighbors, a statement from Saudi Press Agency has confirmed.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/06/05/Saudi-Arabia-severs-all-ties-with-Qatar-closes-off-borders.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 10:10:14 pm »

Can anyone explain what is going on here?
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 10:26:00 pm »

Just read that Egypt and UAE have done the same. Crazy!
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2017, 10:45:00 pm »

Saudi Arabia severed ties with Qatar for supporting terrorist groups in Yemen and Syria....How ironic.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2017, 11:10:10 pm »
« Edited: June 04, 2017, 11:11:48 pm by Dereich »

Well, according to Al Jazeera (which is owned by the Qatari monarchy), this all has to do with some kind of hack of the Qatari news agency. Apparently, the hackers leaked comments by the Qatari leader which "expressed support for Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel - while suggesting that US President Donald Trump may not last in power." Al Jazeera claims the comments were all fake news (because of course they would, as the monarchy's mouthpiece), but at least this is one side of the story.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2017, 11:16:17 pm »

This could be the start of something very bad.
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2017, 11:19:18 pm »
« Edited: June 04, 2017, 11:23:55 pm by rbk »

Can anyone explain what is going on here?


The Saudis hate Muslim Brotherhood and the Quataris were big sponsors of them when they were relevant.

There's also Iran, which KSA always gets annoyed that its smaller cousins aren't sufficiently angry about (for reference: Qatar has the weird Islamist fetish that is more utopian unify the ummah than Saudis; UAE only care about money and Oman is in a strange halfway house due to geography and the fact it's brand of religion is different from bath sides).

There's also economic bickering about natural gas etc
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2017, 11:30:07 pm »

Hopefully they will focus more on destabilizing each other instead of spreading their ideological poison across the world.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2017, 11:33:52 pm »

This could be the start of something very bad.

pardon my ignorance, but what exactly could this lead to? War between Saudia Arabai and qatar?
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2017, 11:36:51 pm »

It wouldn't be much of a war. Qatar would be annexed pretty easily.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2017, 12:29:12 am »
« Edited: June 05, 2017, 12:31:20 am by Crumpets »

How the heck did this story go under the radar until this point? Like, wasn't our president just at a meeting with Sisi and Salman? Shouldn't this have been the lead-up to basically all the coverage a la "President Trump, facing further questions about his campaign's relationship with Russian intelligence heads to Saudi Arabia, amid rising tensions between the many Gulf states and their neighbor Qatar?"

I mean, even now it's not the headline story on NBC (Putin interview), CNN (Trump comments on London), Fox (UK Burka Ban?), NYT (ISIS claiming responsibility for attack), Breitbart (Putin Interview), or the Washington Post (Trump comments on London).

No matter what their political bent, all outlets are biased in favor of easy-to-digest stories which can be explained entirely in a single sentence.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2017, 12:40:57 am »

Also, this is apparently the Wikipedia article on the situation...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Qatar_Diplomatic_Crisis
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2017, 05:04:22 am »

Just read that Egypt and UAE have done the same. Crazy!

Egypt does everything Saudi wants.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2017, 05:17:11 am »

Just read that Egypt and UAE have done the same. Crazy!

Egypt does everything Saudi wants.

Almost everything. Egypt's unlikely to ban Egyptians from working there.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2017, 05:25:04 am »

My rule of thumb is that the goodless bad guys tend to be the side which Saudi Arabia isn't on.
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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2017, 05:45:49 am »

It's basically "you support terrorists we don't like instead of terrorists we like Angry"
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2017, 06:06:37 am »

My rule of thumb is that the goodless bad guys tend to be the side which Saudi Arabia isn't on.

Not valid if the other side is the Qataris.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2017, 06:11:17 am »

My rule of thumb is that the goodless bad guys tend to be the side which Saudi Arabia isn't on.

Pure reductionist drivel.
In Syria, for example, Qatar funds al-Nusra, while SA funds a smaller islamist group that essentially acts as a proxy for their national interests.
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2017, 07:33:30 am »

My rule of thumb is that the goodless bad guys tend to be the side which Saudi Arabia isn't on.

Pure reductionist drivel.
In Syria, for example, Qatar funds al-Nusra, while SA funds a smaller islamist group that essentially acts as a proxy for their national interests.


Saudi Arabia is essentially conducting a proxy war with Iran.
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2017, 07:37:56 am »

My rule of thumb is that the goodless bad guys tend to be the side which Saudi Arabia isn't on.

Pure reductionist drivel.
In Syria, for example, Qatar funds al-Nusra, while SA funds a smaller islamist group that essentially acts as a proxy for their national interests.


Saudi Arabia is essentially conducting a proxy war with Iran.

Yep, their national interest include countering Iran and Shia islam in the region via islamist proxies. That much is clear.
 
But while Qatar's interests are far more complex, they still fund just as dangerous groups.
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2017, 10:26:37 am »

Let's not forget that in the middle of this mess the United States has their largest Mid-East naval base in Bahrain and their largest Mid-East air force base in Qatar. Plus the World Cup will be in Qatar in 5 years.
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2017, 11:22:19 am »

I'm hearing on Al-Jazeera (a Qatari biased source, but still) that the GCC are also imposing a air and naval "embargo" on them.

Wow, is this for real?
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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2017, 11:56:07 am »

The Yemen government and the Benghazi-based alternative Libyan government are joining in on the ban.

I wonder how long this will last? Qatar is completely delendent on outside resources for everything. Wouldn't it be terrifying if this was the new West Berlin, and Iran starts airlifting in aid?
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2017, 12:16:28 pm »

I don;t think there's much risk of annexation - Qatar may be playing both sides of the game, but I highly doubt their elite will go along with that; and I don't see any justication on the Iranian side (even a flims one like Russia in Crimea).

Buy yeah, I don't think it's totally alarmist to imagine that a hot war could very quickly merge all the active and frozen conflicts of MENA into that most terrifying of all prospects - a broad conflict between Iran and its proxies and Saudi Arabia and its proxies with everybody having to take sides.

good time to be investing in fracking tbh
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2017, 12:38:48 pm »

Iran already put out a statement saying it could deliver food aid within 12 hrs. I'm more concerned about this turning into an annexation a la '91 or a Cuban Missile quarantine crisis which is tantamount to a war. This could turn really hot very quickly. Bahrain is close by so the base might go on lockdown. Had some ppl I served with PCS there. Trump giving them the $100 bil promise really has up'd Saudi's ante.

There's no hot war, there's a US airbase there.
I doubt Qatar will want to rely on Iran, unless they've struck a deal on a joint gas pipeline. Far more likely allies are the Turks.
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