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« Reply #150 on: November 04, 2017, 07:19:05 pm »

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia’s air defense intercepted a missile, fired from Yemen, close to the capital Riyadh on Saturday, Al Arabiya TV reported.

State-owned Al Ekhbariya TV said it was brought down north of King Khaled Airport and there were no casualties reported.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/saudi-arabia-says-it-intercepts-missile-close-to-capital_us_59fe1136e4b0c9652fffa794?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
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« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2017, 02:50:28 am »

Convient for the Crown Prince then, because he was purging his political opponents at the same time this happened
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« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2017, 09:24:42 am »

one missile fired at a country is news now?
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« Reply #153 on: November 05, 2017, 11:20:23 am »

one missile fired at a country is news now?

When the victims of America and its allies fire back, it's always been news.
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« Reply #154 on: November 05, 2017, 12:05:19 pm »

Strange occurrences in the desert.
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« Reply #155 on: November 05, 2017, 07:50:57 pm »

Saudi Prince Mansour bin Muqrin dies in helicopter crash

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/11/06/Saudi-Prince-Mansour-bin-Muqrin-dies-in-helicopter-crash.html

Mansour bin Muqrin was the son of Muqrin bin Abdulaziz, who was the Crown Prince (heir apparent) after the death of King Abdullah and his succession by the current King, Salman. Salman removed him three months after coming to the throne.
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« Reply #156 on: November 05, 2017, 08:03:41 pm »

Saudi Prince Mansour bin Muqrin dies in helicopter crash

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/11/06/Saudi-Prince-Mansour-bin-Muqrin-dies-in-helicopter-crash.html

Mansour bin Muqrin was the son of Muqrin bin Abdulaziz, who was the Crown Prince (heir apparent) after the death of King Abdullah and his succession by the current King, Salman. Salman removed him three months after coming to the throne.


That doesn't seem suspicious at all (sarcasm)
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« Reply #157 on: November 06, 2017, 09:00:50 am »

Finally:

Saudi Prince, Asserting Power, Brings Clerics to Heel

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For decades, Saudi Arabia’s religious establishment wielded tremendous power, with bearded enforcers policing public behavior, prominent sheikhs defining right and wrong, and religious associations using the kingdom’s oil wealth to promote their intolerant interpretation of Islam around the world.

Now, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is curbing their power as part of his drive to impose his control on the kingdom and press for a more open brand of Islam.

Before the arrests on Saturday of his fellow royals and former ministers on corruption allegations, Prince Mohammed had stripped the religious police of their arrest powers and expanded the space for women in public life, including promising them the right to drive.

Dozens of hard-line clerics have been detained, while others were designated to speak publicly about respect for other religions, a topic once anathema to the kingdom’s religious apparatus.

If the changes take hold, they could mean a historic reordering of the Saudi state by diminishing the role of hard-line clerics in shaping policy. That shift could reverberate abroad by moderating the exportation of the kingdom’s uncompromising version of Islam, Wahhabism, which has been accused of fueling intolerance and terrorism.
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« Reply #158 on: November 06, 2017, 02:27:53 pm »

Finally:

Saudi Prince, Asserting Power, Brings Clerics to Heel

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For decades, Saudi Arabia’s religious establishment wielded tremendous power, with bearded enforcers policing public behavior, prominent sheikhs defining right and wrong, and religious associations using the kingdom’s oil wealth to promote their intolerant interpretation of Islam around the world.

Now, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is curbing their power as part of his drive to impose his control on the kingdom and press for a more open brand of Islam.

Before the arrests on Saturday of his fellow royals and former ministers on corruption allegations, Prince Mohammed had stripped the religious police of their arrest powers and expanded the space for women in public life, including promising them the right to drive.

Dozens of hard-line clerics have been detained, while others were designated to speak publicly about respect for other religions, a topic once anathema to the kingdom’s religious apparatus.

If the changes take hold, they could mean a historic reordering of the Saudi state by diminishing the role of hard-line clerics in shaping policy. That shift could reverberate abroad by moderating the exportation of the kingdom’s uncompromising version of Islam, Wahhabism, which has been accused of fueling intolerance and terrorism.

About F***ing time!
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« Reply #159 on: November 07, 2017, 01:18:10 am »

Actually I wonder if the current Saudi King might be near-death (he's seemed healthy but he is 81), and the Crown Prince wants to consolidate power first.

 Because every King of Saudi Arabia has been a son of the first king (besides the first, obviously). Not descendent... son.

 It just so happens than Father Time is basically done with the sons of the First Saudi King, and it's time for one of the grandsons to be the next King... and this Crown Prince, the 32-year-old, wants to make sure he isn't killed or otherwise deposed since there's even more grandsons than sons.
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« Reply #160 on: November 07, 2017, 08:19:03 am »
« Edited: November 07, 2017, 08:26:48 am by VirginiaModerate »

“The involvement of the Iranian regime in supplying its Houthi militias with missiles is considered a direct military aggression by the Iranian regime and may be considered an act of war against the Kingdom,” the crown prince was quoted as saying during a telephone conversation with British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1189641/saudi-arabia

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In the case of a Saudi-Iranian war, it would essentially boil down to a draw due to many factors, UK and US would, of course, support SA. Oil prices would balloon, a good deal of Saudis and Iranians would die, shipping would be diverted if not stopped altogether in the Gulf, bad stuff. For military analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a4sUtze3jw

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To add to that, this article sees a war as beneficial to Russia, US fracking, and Saudi prices. This is a sad but realistic view of an almost guaranteed outcome and why MBS may not mind risking it. If he wins the war, higher oil prices, higher IPO, solidification of his image as a glorified war victor, etc.

This would be the greatest fantasy of many oil state Republicans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/06/25/the-coming-war-between-saudi-arabia-and-iran-will-make-american-frackers-very-rich/#7024d6da78da
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« Reply #161 on: November 07, 2017, 09:03:08 am »

“The involvement of the Iranian regime in supplying its Houthi militias with missiles is considered a direct military aggression by the Iranian regime and may be considered an act of war against the Kingdom,” the crown prince was quoted as saying during a telephone conversation with British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1189641/saudi-arabia

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In the case of a Saudi-Iranian war, it would essentially boil down to a draw due to many factors, UK and US would, of course, support SA. Oil prices would balloon, a good deal of Saudis and Iranians would die, shipping would be diverted if not stopped altogether in the Gulf, bad stuff. For military analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a4sUtze3jw

Edit:

To add to that, this article sees a war as beneficial to Russia, US fracking, and Saudi prices. This is a sad but realistic view of an almost guaranteed outcome and why MBS may not mind risking it. If he wins the war, higher oil prices, higher IPO, solidification of his image as a glorified war victor, etc.

This would be the greatest fantasy of many oil state Republicans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/06/25/the-coming-war-between-saudi-arabia-and-iran-will-make-american-frackers-very-rich/#7024d6da78da

Question: would Pakistan back Iran and India back Saudi Arabia?
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« Reply #162 on: November 07, 2017, 09:08:43 am »

“The involvement of the Iranian regime in supplying its Houthi militias with missiles is considered a direct military aggression by the Iranian regime and may be considered an act of war against the Kingdom,” the crown prince was quoted as saying during a telephone conversation with British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1189641/saudi-arabia

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In the case of a Saudi-Iranian war, it would essentially boil down to a draw due to many factors, UK and US would, of course, support SA. Oil prices would balloon, a good deal of Saudis and Iranians would die, shipping would be diverted if not stopped altogether in the Gulf, bad stuff. For military analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a4sUtze3jw

Edit:

To add to that, this article sees a war as beneficial to Russia, US fracking, and Saudi prices. This is a sad but realistic view of an almost guaranteed outcome and why MBS may not mind risking it. If he wins the war, higher oil prices, higher IPO, solidification of his image as a glorified war victor, etc.

This would be the greatest fantasy of many oil state Republicans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/06/25/the-coming-war-between-saudi-arabia-and-iran-will-make-american-frackers-very-rich/#7024d6da78da

Well, Yemen War showed that Saudis are not good at war. And how they want to fight with Iran? Through Iraq, where 200 000 Shiite militias are deployed?

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« Reply #163 on: November 07, 2017, 09:10:10 am »

“The involvement of the Iranian regime in supplying its Houthi militias with missiles is considered a direct military aggression by the Iranian regime and may be considered an act of war against the Kingdom,” the crown prince was quoted as saying during a telephone conversation with British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1189641/saudi-arabia

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In the case of a Saudi-Iranian war, it would essentially boil down to a draw due to many factors, UK and US would, of course, support SA. Oil prices would balloon, a good deal of Saudis and Iranians would die, shipping would be diverted if not stopped altogether in the Gulf, bad stuff. For military analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a4sUtze3jw

Edit:

To add to that, this article sees a war as beneficial to Russia, US fracking, and Saudi prices. This is a sad but realistic view of an almost guaranteed outcome and why MBS may not mind risking it. If he wins the war, higher oil prices, higher IPO, solidification of his image as a glorified war victor, etc.

This would be the greatest fantasy of many oil state Republicans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/06/25/the-coming-war-between-saudi-arabia-and-iran-will-make-american-frackers-very-rich/#7024d6da78da

Question: would Pakistan back Iran and India back Saudi Arabia?

Pakistan has good relations with both Iran and Saudi Arabia, they would be neutral.
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« Reply #164 on: November 07, 2017, 03:18:41 pm »

I'm quite interested in what way Turkey will fall. Traditionally they would have gone with Saudi Arabia, and they did try and ouster Iran's puppet Assad, but recently they seem to have shown to flirt with the Iranians.

Let's hope that it doesn't come to a war and cooler heads prevail. Both countries are far too armed for their own good, and a war would no doubt be brutal and cause a horrendous regional spillover effect.
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« Reply #165 on: November 07, 2017, 05:36:36 pm »

I'm quite interested in what way Turkey will fall. Traditionally they would have gone with Saudi Arabia, and they did try and ouster Iran's puppet Assad, but recently they seem to have shown to flirt with the Iranians.

Let's hope that it doesn't come to a war and cooler heads prevail. Both countries are far too armed for their own good, and a war would no doubt be brutal and cause a horrendous regional spillover effect.

Well, two authoritarian states duking it out never helps anyone much. Case in point, the Eastern Front during WWII.
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« Reply #166 on: November 25, 2017, 03:19:46 pm »

Saudi detainees are reportedly being tortured (per the Daily Mail):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5108651/American-mercenaries-torturing-Saudi-princes.html
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« Reply #167 on: December 19, 2017, 09:02:04 am »

Another missile intercept from Yemen https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/saudi-arabia-says-it-intercepts-ballistic-missile-fired-from-yemen/2017/12/19/6617d5ba-e4b0-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.3675affade9a
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« Reply #168 on: December 19, 2017, 10:58:48 am »

The boy Prince has been splashing out lately, buying the most expensive home and the most expensive artwork in the past few months. Can't think why Tongue
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« Reply #169 on: March 22, 2018, 10:35:34 pm »

Saudi Crown Prince Boasted That Jared Kushner Was “In His Pocket”
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Until he was stripped of his top-secret security clearance in February, presidential adviser Jared Kushner was known around the White House as one of the most voracious readers of the President’s Daily Brief, a highly classified rundown of the latest intelligence intended only for the president and his closest advisers.

Kushner, who had been tasked with bringing about a deal between Israel and Palestine, was particularly engaged by information about the Middle East, according to a former White House official and a former U.S. intelligence professional.

In late October, Jared Kushner made an unannounced trip to Riyadh, catching some intelligence officials off guard. “The two princes are said to have stayed up until nearly 4 a.m. several nights, swapping stories and planning strategy,” the Washington Post’s David Ignatius reported at the time.

What exactly Kushner and the Saudi royal talked about in Riyadh may be known only to them, but after the meeting, Crown Prince Mohammed told confidants that Kushner had discussed the names of Saudis disloyal to the crown prince, according to three sources who have been in contact with members of the Saudi and Emirati royal families since the crackdown. Kushner, through his attorney’s spokesperson, denies having done so.
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