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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2017, 06:53:08 PM »

Not a Democrat but: Ron Wyden, followed closely by James Stavridis.

A great choice.
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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2017, 07:11:23 PM »


She's a lawyer from a family of lawyers.  Also, she's tired, boring, and stale.

yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, she has worked dilligently as a US senator, she has sucked all the right dick, she served on all the right committees, and she has sponsored some fairly important legislation, but why apply the Peter Principle at the first opportunity? 

I'd probably vote to re-elect her as US senator were I a resident of New York, but I seriously doubt I could support her in a primary election for US president.

And yes, I'd probably also say that if you held a gun to my head.  At least I hope I would, because it's the truth.

This is not how the Democrats are going to win the presidency:  Hey Democrats, what if you had a gun pointing at your head, whom would you nominate?



Posts like there are why I won't stop talking about sexism.

Now to answer the OP, Hillary Clinton (normal).
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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2017, 07:14:54 PM »

James Stavridis has an impressive resume.  How is his public speaking? 

I'm a registered Democrat--not a particularly loyal one, and certainly not one to attend party functions or try to "get involved" and nominate people, but--I could support Stavridis, at least until he does something really stupid or unless someone charismatic and radical comes along.  Bernie is getting a little too old to do that and Cory Booker has too many closet skeletons.  There is the state senatorial candidate, Joe Sestak, who would win my vote in the primary if he ran, but I doubt he would win anyone else's vote.  Hell, he couldn't even defeat that tired old huckster Katie McGinty, who lost handily to Pat Toomey.  (I'll admit that I didn't vote for McGinty or Toomey in the general election.  Democrats have a long history of nominating Democrats who make me want to vote for either third party or independent candidates.  This is because they like to ask you to nominate candidates while they have a gun pointed at your head.  Although it was metaphorical on the part of the OP, I really appreciate it, because it really describes that party's thought process.)

Consider also Amy Klobuchar (sp?).  She has decent public speaking skills, and although she's also a lawyer--which is sometimes a deal-killer for me--she has a forthrighness and an humble manner.  She also has some fairly respectable ideologies and has exhibited good judgment. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2017, 08:24:15 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2017, 08:31:33 PM »

Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren.
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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2017, 08:35:34 PM »


Posts like there are why I won't stop talking about sexism.

Now to answer the OP, Hillary Clinton (normal).

WTF?  Sexism?! 

First, I had no idea that you don't stop talking about sexism--I guess I hadn't paid enough attention to your posts, but you can be goddamned sure that I'll pay attention to them now.  Be careful what you wish for.  Secondly, I don't understand why "posts like these" have anything to do with it. 

In the next breath you go on to mention that you will support Clinton?!  You support a candidate who hired thugs and bullies to silence women her husband harassed when she was First Lady of Arkansas because she put his--and, as we now know, her own--political careers ahead of justice and ahead of the benefit of the people.  The fact that you would support Hillary Clinton, a candidate I do not support for any office at any time under any circumstances, tells me that you and I are on different frequencies. 

You seem deluded, or confused.  Perhaps you misinterpreted me.  Perhaps I misinterpreted you.  From my perspective, it seems that you really, really need to get over this kneejerk reaction to anyone who points out flaws in a candidate who happens to be female.  It is okay not to vote for a woman.  It doesn't make you a sexist.  It is also okay not to vote for a black guy, or a guy with a Spanish last name, or a gay dude, or a disabled, Jewish, lesbian, one-eyed, former child porn star, confined to a wheel chair because of some debilitating disease and who just lost her parents to a terrorist attack.  It's okay.  You will continue to offend voters until you understand that there are those of us who treat women exactly like we treat men--and yes, I treat women exactly like I treat men; I'm no more or less rude to someone because of his or her sex; I'm an equal-opportunity asshole.  You cannot scream SEXIST! every time someone says he will not support a particular female candidate.  Your attitude, in fact, is arguably more sexist than mine.  After all, you are exhibiting what George W. Bush called, in 2000, "the soft bigotry of low expectations."  Mine is egalitarian.  I am not a feminist, nor a masculinist.  I have certainly voted for female candidates.  I voted for Ann Richards, for example, for governor of Texas when she won.  I strongly supported a candidate who came to my department about three years ago who happened to be a woman--not because she was a woman and not in spite of the fact that she was a woman--but because she was the best candidate at the time.  I lobbied forcefully, at the expense potentially of my own career, and turned a 4-4 vote into a 6-2 vote for her, and we ended up hiring her.  Again, not because she was a female, but because she was the best among those we interviewed.  I have also voted for females for Mayor and for US Representative.  I would consider any candidate for President regardless of gender, so long as he or she is someone with good judgment, or at least what I consider to be good judgment. 

You can call me a sexist, if it makes you feel better about yourself or about your cause, but it is comments like yours that turn people against your causes.  I can assure you that it is not because Clinton is a woman that I didn't vote for her, any more than it was because Trump was a man that I didn't vote for him.  I can't stand either of them.  I regard them both as being manifestly unfit for the office of President of the United States.  It had nothing to do with their genders.  Of course I'd prefer to vote for a Democrat or a Republican, but sometimes those parties nominate horrible people, so those of with enough dignity refuse to support either of them.  Clinton has as many flaws as Trump.  Different ones, to be sure, and she has a much better resume and is, at least on paper, much better prepared for the job as president, but she is creepy.  Frankly, you could do much better.  I tried to help you.  I am a registered Democrat and I did my best to see that you nominated someone better, but to no avail.  You nominated a flawed candidate that I could not support.

Gillibrand has a decent understanding of the law, and I have no knowledge of her engaging in the sorts of unethical activities that Hillary Clinton engaged in, but she does not excite me.  I'd say the same things I said about her if she happened to be a male, ceteris paribus.

Sometimes a candidate does not appeal because of what he or she says or does, or doesn't say or do, regardless of gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, and it's okay to point that out.

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2017, 08:48:31 PM »

STOP ARGUING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON!!!
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« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2017, 08:49:35 PM »

Al Franken. Steve Bullock is close second and would be a better candidate, but I trust Franken more.
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« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2017, 08:51:07 PM »

Gillibrand
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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2017, 08:53:02 PM »

Voted for Hillary so I'll answer:  Andrew Cuomo
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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2017, 09:05:08 PM »

STOP ARGUING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON!!!



Okay, I'll stop, but I didn't start it.  Kiss
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« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2017, 09:11:41 PM »
« Edited: June 05, 2017, 09:25:47 PM by TDAS04 »

I said Gillibrand because not only is she competent, it would be sort of another chance to elect Hillary Clinton.  Not exactly, but sort of.  Yes, I know most on here would find that to be a bad reason.

Anyway, I could easily change my mind.  I'd also be very happy with either of Minnesota's senators, with either of Oregon's senators, and with numerous other possibilities.
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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2017, 09:40:10 PM »

Franken with Brown just behind.
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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2017, 09:48:19 PM »


Posts like there are why I won't stop talking about sexism.

Now to answer the OP, Hillary Clinton (normal).

WTF?  Sexism?! 



What you wrote about Gillibrand "sucking the right dick" was sexist and uncalled for. Like really? Where did that come from and why was that necessary?
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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2017, 09:54:16 PM »

I remain an increasingly lonely but steadfastly committed member of the Cory Booker fan club.
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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2017, 10:22:48 PM »

Sherrod Brown (if he's re elected next year) or Al Franken. While I like Elizabeth Warren, I think the GOP is already preparing to run against her and she could be damaged goods by 2020. If she runs and Brown and Franken don't, I'll most likely support her. If Bernie were younger, he'd have my vote in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, he'd be too old.
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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2017, 10:43:58 PM »

Crazy response: Julian Castro and VP Chris Murphy
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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2017, 10:44:59 PM »

What you wrote about Gillibrand "sucking the right dick" was sexist and uncalled for.

It was called for, and it was hardly sexist.  I know that the site allows very young people (and foreigners) to post, but most show some prescience and some understanding of the English language, so I'll not belabor that point.  For your benefit, I'll explain that it's called a metaphor.  A metaphor can be defined (according to m-w.com) as:  "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them"

This concept should not be confused with a direct comparison, usually called a simile, which generally uses a preposition such as "like" or "as."  I'll give you some examples which you will probably also call sexist, in order to get your attention and hopefully get you to remember this lesson:

direct statement:
"Your sister is ugly!"

simile (direct comparison):
"Your sister looks like a dog!"
{Here, I mean no offense to dogs, in general}

Metaphore (implied comparison):
"Your sister is a dog!"

Implied metaphor (one step further removed):
"Your sister chases parked cars!"

All of those statements are meant to insult your sister's appearance (and probably, by extension, you, and probably also to goad you into fisticuffs), but there are subtleties and nuances in them.  In each case, the writer intends to convey the message with different levels of directness.  (He also assumes that you have studied the language well enough to appreciate their differences.)

You may be still in high school, university, or grad school, so I won't necessarily expect you to appreciate it, but unless you're independently wealthy, you'll understand one day the concept of sucking the dick of the boss.  (Here, I'm speaking metaphorically, in case that wasn't immediately obvious to you.)  We working-class schmucks--and yes, I consider myself "working class."  I have never really appreciated the way that some gringos have appropriated the british use of that term.  In my estimation, it doesn't matter whether you're a janitor, a cardiologist, a truck driver, a professor, a lawyer, or a politician, if you work for a living, in the sense that you aren't independently wealthy, then you're working class.  That is, whether you're white- or blue-collar working class, if you work for a living because if you don't work then you can't afford to live, then you're working class--know what it's like to suck a dick.  (again, I'm using a metaphor)  Now, I like to swim against the stream, and I'm something of a nonconformist.  Have been as long as I can remember.  Maybe that's why I'm still making slightly less than six figures even though many of my colleagues with far fewer publications than I and far less postdoctoral experience than I and far worse evaluations than I have been promoted.  Fuck 'em.  I don't care much to suck the dick.  But that's my problem, isn't it?  Anyway, we all know what the pressure to suck the dick is like.  Maybe it's pressure from a senior law partner to attend his or her wedding.  Maybe it's pressure from a dean to serve on a committee.  Maybe it's pressure from a store manager to always work the evening shift.  Men are not excluded from sucking this dick.  Neither are black people or people with spanish sirnames.  It's not a sexist thing, or an ethnic thing, or a homophobic thing.  We all get presented with a big dick that we are expected to suck.  Now, I haven't served political office, but I am aware, just as I am sure most posters here are aware, that all freshman congressmen(women) are expected to suck that big dick till they almost choke.  There are committee assignments, photo ops, expectations to vote for certain bills (quid pro quo), etc.  This is the norm in their game, and it's really not so different from the norm in the game that most of us who loathe politicans also play, but on a less high-stakes scale.  This will be the case regardless of whether the politician in question has male or female genetalia, and the sooner your realize that, the sooner will be your opportunity to understand the way the world works.


 
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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2017, 11:07:18 PM »

Crazy response: Julian Castro and VP Chris Murphy
I like your style
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2017, 11:16:30 PM »

Holy f-ck, angus actually is that legitimately clueless. So embarrassing.
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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2017, 09:48:36 AM »

First choice is my Senator, Kamala Harris. And some white male dude from a rural state as VP.

Second choices: Kirsten Gillibrand, Martin Heinrich, Sherrod Brown, Steve Bullock
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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2017, 09:56:55 AM »

Kirsten Gillibrand
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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2017, 10:12:32 AM »

Holy f-ck, angus actually is that legitimately clueless. So embarrassing.

Now I'm clueless as well as sexist?  I should put that in my signature.

At this point you're being hateful.  Internet bullying.  I don't know what crawled up your ass and put you in the mood to pick a fight with me, but I'm in a reasonably good mood and I'm not going to let you ruin it so I won't take any more of the bait.  Good day.

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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2017, 10:16:27 AM »

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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2017, 11:09:29 AM »

angus 2020
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