UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread

[136or142]

How in the hell is corbyn winning these upper income areas in outer london?

Looks like upper income suburbs are doing in the UK what they did in the US- trend to the left.

The difference of course is that hillary was a "moderate" democrat with much safer, less radical economic views than corbyn.

Corbyn winning some of these upper income districts is something I simply cannot explain.

Literally everything I thought I knew about suburbs was destroyed tonight. I truly thought corbyn was going to get crushed in them, because they seemingly disagree with him on nearly every issue.

Yet here we are.

Why in the HELL are rich english voters voting for this man? How does it even make sense? What did May do?

This is part of the vagaries of the FPTP system.  It's possible a lot of these people were voting for Labour as a protest against the Conservatives and BREXIT believing that Labour and Corbyn had no chance of actually getting into power. 

[136or142]

One good things about this election we wont have a hard brexit,
As a Leave voter, Hard brexit would've been catastrophic    
I hope we adopt the Norwegian model

Let hope Tory Moderates of the likes of Anna Soubry have decent influence

I saw Anna Soubry interviewed yesterday.  Both she and Ruth Davidson are very impressive.

[Antonio the Sixth]

In 2010, Tories had a 7-point lead over Labour and won 48 more seats. Now with a 2.5 point lead they'll have 56 or 58 more. So it looks like the structural advantage due to FPP has shifted hard to the Tories.

[136or142]

UKIP voters screwed the Tories tonight and for they are big fools as they voted for a far right candidate in 2015 and then far left in 2017.


If UKIP voted torie we would have had the tories up to 350 seats maybe instead of 319 .

Do you realize that many of the UKIP voters were actually working-class folks that felt abandoned by both political parties?

Unfortunately in the US, as opposed to the UK, there was no reason to come back home in '16 vs UK in '17.....

Both political parties in the US have sold working folks under the bus for decades.... in the UK there is still a fighting spirit left in working-class communities, and you actually had a "Left" or "Progressive" Labour Dem who wasn't afraid to speak truth to power to someone like Clinton (Vs Bernie) who talked the language and themes of the minority of upper income voters, while neglecting the reality of the rest of us 75% of Americans....

Anyways.... here's one of my favorite Scottish Folk songs from the 1950s...

Damnit, love me, I'm a liberal.

[136or142]

This doesn't really fit the discussion.  But, I notice some commentators prior to the election were asking questions like "Are young people really supporting Jeremy Corbyn who is a genuine socialist?  Didn't they learn about the failures of nationalized businesses?"

I don't disagree with any of that.  But, many of these same commentators still mindlessly promote the false idea that tax or regulatory cuts are automatically good for economic growth.

I can only put this down to the power that the neoliberal liars had throughout the 1990s in promoting this false ideology, especially Rupert Murdoch.  I would have liked to have thought that the Financial Collapse of 2007 would have completely discredited this, but, as Forest Gump said "stupid is as stupid does."

[Foucaulf]

In 2010, Tories had a 7-point lead over Labour and won 48 more seats. Now with a 2.5 point lead they'll have 56 or 58 more. So it looks like the structural advantage due to FPP has shifted hard to the Tories.

To make it more clear you should take out the Scotland effects. Look at just the English constituency results: in 2010 Tories were up by 11 to Labour and they had a majority of 106. This time Tories are only up by 3.7 in England (!) and likely have a majority of 70.

How much of this is just inefficient realignment of the vote from Lib Dem to Labour however (given the Lib Dems have lost 35 seats?)

[parochial boy]

In 2010, Tories had a 7-point lead over Labour and won 48 more seats. Now with a 2.5 point lead they'll have 56 or 58 more. So it looks like the structural advantage due to FPP has shifted hard to the Tories.

To make it more clear you should take out the Scotland effects. Look at just the English constituency results: in 2010 Tories were up by 11 to Labour and they had a majority of 106. This time Tories are only up by 3.7 in England (!) and likely have a majority of 70.

How much of this is just inefficient realignment of the vote from Lib Dem to Labour however (given the Lib Dems have lost 35 seats?)

I hate to say "global trends" but to a major degree if reflects the fact that Labour, like many a left wing party, is increasingly piling up votes in big cities and struggling in smaller and mid-sized towns. In particular in the Midlands, where many of the old marginals used to be.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The fact that Scotland is part of the problem doesn't make it less of a problem.

But yeah, the results out of England are somewhat promising. Does anyone have the vote totals by regions?

[Boston Bread]

Overall the vote efficiency switch happened more in 2015 than in this election. The Lib Dem collapse and Labour weakness in the Midlands were the main causes, all of which happened in 2015.

[EnglishPete]

Two key points about the DUP:

- They aren't keen on austerity
- They aren't keen on a Hard Brexit (well, their leader Arlene Foster isn't anyway)

This is going to sound stupid/conspiratorial, but how worried should the world be that the Gov't is going to rest on a party that doesn't accept the Good Friday agreement?

The GFA is not about to be abolished. The full name of the Conservative Party is the Conservative and Unionist Party and May is strongly unionist in her own views. Thanks to the screw ups of May and the Conservatives stupid mistakes in the campain the UK just came worryingly close to a government led by a dangerous communist extremist with a superficial charm who would turn the UK into another Venezuela given half a chance, something most UK voters clearly didn't understand. The world in general and the UK in particular should be full of gratitude to the DUP for helping to avoid this calamity.

[Former President tack50]

In 2010, Tories had a 7-point lead over Labour and won 48 more seats. Now with a 2.5 point lead they'll have 56 or 58 more. So it looks like the structural advantage due to FPP has shifted hard to the Tories.

To make it more clear you should take out the Scotland effects. Look at just the English constituency results: in 2010 Tories were up by 11 to Labour and they had a majority of 106. This time Tories are only up by 3.7 in England (!) and likely have a majority of 70.

How much of this is just inefficient realignment of the vote from Lib Dem to Labour however (given the Lib Dems have lost 35 seats?)

I hate to say "global trends" but to a major degree if reflects the fact that Labour, like many a left wing party, is increasingly piling up votes in big cities and struggling in smaller and mid-sized towns. In particular in the Midlands, where many of the old marginals used to be.

Yeah, I looked at the map and it reminded me of the US election map slightly, with small dots of red (or somethimes orange) surrounded by a sea of blue. At least in the southern half of the country. The rural north seems better for Labour (although I think Tories might be winning there as well)

[136or142]

The fact that Scotland is part of the problem doesn't make it less of a problem.

But yeah, the results out of England are somewhat promising. Does anyone have the vote totals by regions?

I was hoping to find this on a British site because I'm boycotting CNN for firing Kathy Griffin but not firing Jeffrey Lord et al, but CNN is the only place (or the first place) I found this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/08/europe/uk-election-2017-full-results/index.html

[Former President tack50]

The fact that Scotland is part of the problem doesn't make it less of a problem.

But yeah, the results out of England are somewhat promising. Does anyone have the vote totals by regions?

The BBC website allows you to see partial results from England, Scotland, Wales and NI

http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2017/results

[parochial boy]

Here's a map of coal mines in the UK. Anybody want to comment on what it looks remarkably similar too?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So Scottish independence is dead?

God, I hope so...my hope for this election was that it would hurt the SNP and their quest for independence (check) and push for a "soft" Brexit (possible).

I doubt Scottish independence is dead (particularly if there's a bad, or bad-looking Brexit) but hopefully the SNP has been taught that they need to do more than fight for independence, they need to lead and govern, too.

[Phony Moderate]

It'd be interesting to see what level Tory support is amongst Catholics and gays right now.

[136or142]

This is CNNs breakdown (I don't know if everybody would agree with how they broke down England into regions)

Southwest
Conservative: 51.4%
Labour: 29.1%
Liberal Democrats: 15.0%

Southeast
Conservative: 53.8%
Labour: 28.6
Liberal Democrats: 10.5%

London (1 riding outstanding)
Labour: 54.6%
Conservative: 33.0%
Liberal Democrats: 8.8%

Eastern
Conservative: 54.6%
Labour: 32.7%
Liberal Democrats: 7.9%

East Midlands
Conservative 50.7%
Labour: 40.5%
Liberal Democrats: 4.3%

West Midlands
Conservative: 49.0%
Labour: 42.5%
Liberal Democrats: 4.4%

North West
Labour: 54.9%
Conservative: 36.2%
Liberal Democrats: 5.4%

Yorkshire and the H.  (H...?)
Labour: 49.0%
Conservative: 40.5%
Liberal Democrats: 5.0%

North East
Labour: 55.5%
Conservative: 34.6%
Liberal Democrats: 4.6%

(CNN also gave the vote percentages for the smaller parties, but did not give the seat totals)

[Antonio the Sixth]

No seat totals by region? LOL, that's ridiculous. Hopefully Wikipedia will compute them soon enough.

[Paleobrazilian]

This guy is having a lot of fun today:

[136or142]

I'm just wondering back to the beginning of the campaign if anybody made an issue regarding the inherent contradiction in Theresa May's argument on the need for the election, to provide "strong and stable leadership."

Theresa May already led a government with a majority.  That she couldn't command her own party to provide a stable government was an implicit admission of weakness, not strength.

[Gary J]

This is CNNs breakdown (I don't know if everybody would agree with how they broke down England into regions)

Southwest
Conservative: 51.4%
Labour: 29.1%
Liberal Democrats: 15.0%

Southeast
Conservative: 53.8%
Labour: 28.6
Liberal Democrats: 10.5%

London (1 riding outstanding)
Labour: 54.6%
Conservative: 33.0%
Liberal Democrats: 8.8%

Eastern
Conservative: 54.6%
Labour: 32.7%
Liberal Democrats: 7.9%

East Midlands
Conservative 50.7%
Labour: 40.5%
Liberal Democrats: 4.3%

West Midlands
Conservative: 49.0%
Labour: 42.5%
Liberal Democrats: 4.4%

North West
Labour: 54.9%
Conservative: 36.2%
Liberal Democrats: 5.4%

Yorkshire and the H.  (H...?)
Labour: 49.0%
Conservative: 40.5%
Liberal Democrats: 5.0%

North East
Labour: 55.5%
Conservative: 34.6%
Liberal Democrats: 4.6%

(CNN also gave the vote percentages for the smaller parties, but did not give the seat totals)

The English regions used are the constituencies into which the country is divided for multi member European Parliament elections. They were weak local administrative units in the Blair-Brown era, which Cameron's government abolished.

H stands for Humber, which is the area to the south of the river Humber, which was the north of the historic county of Lincolnshire.

[136or142]

This is CNNs breakdown (I don't know if everybody would agree with how they broke down England into regions)

Southwest
Conservative: 51.4%
Labour: 29.1%
Liberal Democrats: 15.0%

Southeast
Conservative: 53.8%
Labour: 28.6
Liberal Democrats: 10.5%

London (1 riding outstanding)
Labour: 54.6%
Conservative: 33.0%
Liberal Democrats: 8.8%

Eastern
Conservative: 54.6%
Labour: 32.7%
Liberal Democrats: 7.9%

East Midlands
Conservative 50.7%
Labour: 40.5%
Liberal Democrats: 4.3%

West Midlands
Conservative: 49.0%
Labour: 42.5%
Liberal Democrats: 4.4%

North West
Labour: 54.9%
Conservative: 36.2%
Liberal Democrats: 5.4%

Yorkshire and the H.  (H...?)
Labour: 49.0%
Conservative: 40.5%
Liberal Democrats: 5.0%

North East
Labour: 55.5%
Conservative: 34.6%
Liberal Democrats: 4.6%

(CNN also gave the vote percentages for the smaller parties, but did not give the seat totals)

The English regions used are the constituencies into which the country is divided for multi member European Parliament elections. They were weak local administrative units in the Blair-Brown era, which Cameron's government abolished.

H stands for Humber, which is the area to the south of the river Humber, which was the north of the historic county of Lincolnshire.

Thanks!  Humberside! The Smiths mentioned a lot of regions and cities in their song "Panic"  (Hang the DJ!)

[Tintrlvr]

This is CNNs breakdown (I don't know if everybody would agree with how they broke down England into regions)

Looks like they used the formal Regions of England.

[afleitch]

Ashcrofts 'exit poll'

Striking; Labour led age groups 18-44 and were one point behind the Tories from 45-54. Tories ahead with Boomers.

[Boston Bread]

This is the link to Ashcroft's poll: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/06/result-happen-post-vote-survey/

Biggest point I noticed where that Labour gained more or less equally among all social classes, if you compare it with their 2015 exit polls: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=ashcroft%20poll&src=typd