UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread

[NOVA Green]

Is there a sense of whether or not there's going to be a rush of results at any point in time? Or are they going to trickle in?

Should be a dump of about 7 different districts in about an hour, and then an even larger dump of seats about 6 PM PST---- should give us a better idea by then, but this thing is going to trickle in for hours....

[NOVA Green]

Slow election reporting is the worst

UK Elections are always like this... imagine if US elections were held Congressional District by CD.

[NOVA Green]

Nick clegg lost his seat sheffield hallam

Good....

We're now starting to get some real results roll in as we speak.

[NOVA Green]

Nick clegg lost his seat sheffield hallam

See my sig of Sheffield Steel Workers marching in 1980 against Thatcher's policies....

[NOVA Green]

I fail to see how much the conservatives could have gained by appealing to some of the leave voters in the labour heartlands of the north. The gap to makeup was far too large and given that so many old UKIP voters there were staunch labour supporters anyway, it seems like a lost cause....

This is what happens when you put a fighting Left-Wing Labour candidate against a generic Tory....

If not for the the recent Terrorist assaults against Democracy in the UK, I suspect that there would be even a larger swing towards Labour.

Regardless, the strategy of trying to tie Corbyn as being "soft on terrorism" appears to have been an epic fail, considering the impact of the "Dementia Tax" that May was proposing that was widely ridiculed throughout England, and the UK and large....

[NOVA Green]

These swings in London are amazing.

More to come from there.... haven't had a chance to chat with my Sister whose been living in Finsbury for quite a few years, but the Lib Dem collapse throughout London will disproportionately benefit a Left-Wing Labour candidate among younger voters in the Inner Boroughs....

[NOVA Green]

SDLP has already lost two of its three seats!

To Sinn Fein....

[NOVA Green]

Is there any reason for the DUP surge? I thought they would perform weakly, seeing their lackluster results in the NI assembly election.

Seems like the one bit of good news for Tory is the DUP surge in NI.....

And the SF surge in NI

Any wonders?

Ireland both North and South, has been screwed over by Brexit....

The SDLP went down hardcore, and the march towards a Free Ireland, including the Six Counties of the North, moves forward....

The Irish have been screwed over for centuries, and now there is a real chance that the various Northern Irish, Welsh, and Scottish political parties could actually have a real voice after centuries of English Occupations of respective ethnic minorities long considered part of the "UK"

[NOVA Green]

It's awfully strange that the pacifist socialist was able to win back UKIP voters.

Populism?

Just the fact that many voters in England have felt abandoned by both "New Labour", as well as the Tories, and came back home to a "Proper" Progressive Labour Party Candidate for the first time in almost 30 years....

UKIP was a phenomenon caused by the collapse of a true Progressive (Left) version of the Labour Party starting with Tony Blair (3rd Way strategy a la Bill Clinton).

Where do voters go where they feel abandoned by the largest political parties in their country???

They go extreme--- thank goodness a Left-Wing Labour candidate was able to bring the vast majority of  traditional Labour voter back home.

[NOVA Green]

UKIP voters screwed the Tories tonight and for they are big fools as they voted for a far right candidate in 2015 and then far left in 2017.


If UKIP voted torie we would have had the tories up to 350 seats maybe instead of 319 .

Do you realize that many of the UKIP voters were actually working-class folks that felt abandoned by both political parties?

Unfortunately in the US, as opposed to the UK, there was no reason to come back home in '16 vs UK in '17.....

Both political parties in the US have sold working folks under the bus for decades.... in the UK there is still a fighting spirit left in working-class communities, and you actually had a "Left" or "Progressive" Labour Dem who wasn't afraid to speak truth to power to someone like Clinton (Vs Bernie) who talked the language and themes of the minority of upper income voters, while neglecting the reality of the rest of us 75% of Americans....

Anyways.... here's one of my favorite Scottish Folk songs from the 1950s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLnvwPk7-u0&list=RDLPVaVKmGqOY&index=13

[NOVA Green]

Liverpool wasnt a coal mining area though (a bit around St Helens, but not to anything like the extent of S Yorks other parts of Lancashire). It wasnt even a major manufacturing centre like Manchester. It was chiefly a port city, with a huge Irish immigrant population, so maybe that legacy has meant it stayed more outward looking?

I struggle to believe that Hillsborough would have had such a huge impact on local politics.

And yet Liverpool votes well to the left of other working class areas (80% labour, as opposed to 60% labour in Newcastle, Sheffield, Leeds - lower than that in smaller towns like Dewsbury)

And Liverpool was much stronger remain territory than Leeds, or Sheffield, or Birmingham. Which are all wealthier cities. Even Knowsley voted to remain, Knowsley!

I meant to say it's left-wingerism is equivalent to coal mining areas (and even more these days).

Militant was stronger in Liverpool than other working class cities.

Football, plays a huge part into it, from Hillsborough to Robbie Fowler's support of the docker's strike, and the club being generally left-wing.

Liverpool is the most left-wing city bar Glasgow in the UK.

I must confess that Liverpool has always had a special place in my heart since I first visited the City as a young Yank college kid way back in 1994...

The first morning I was there, I skipped the breakfast at the B&B and joined a student march of some 2,000 led by a Trot student association for "free tuition for college students".

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/welcome-to-liverpool-a-heartland-of-the-rebel-cause/

The next day, I spend some time walking around Central Neighborhoods in the City, and hung out in some of the joints in the article above, as well as the African-Caribbean-English Community of Toxteth, home to the Anti-Thatcher riots of '81 (Shortly after the Brixton Riots), caused by systematic racism and distrust between the local community and law enforcement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Toxteth_riots

So. as I'm walking through Toxteth, I have the following dub-reggae song going through my mind from arguably the best currently living Reggae artist in the world Linton Kwesi Johnson (LKJ)... who speaks in a mixture of prose, poetry, with an awesome beat in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9079wwVF84Y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linton_Kwesi_Johnson

This was the legacy of Thatcherism in the UK.... massive urban unrest, major strikes, and demonstrations, especially in poor and working-class communities throughout England.

Ok--- so the next day us college kids are meeting with one of the top cops in the City, and I ask "What has the Liverpool Police Department done to improve relations with the Afro-Caribbean community since the riots of '81?".

He actually gave a pretty solid answer, although Thatcher being out of power and the City had just recently had a Trot "Militant" Labour Party majority, likely gave a bit more leeway politically towards a policy where the Police Department had dramatically expanded hiring of "Black Cops", focusing on "Community Policing", and working closely with various neighborhood and community associations throughout Liverpool.

Now, this was only a year before the legendary Dockworkers Strike in Liverpool ('95-97), but this is a Proud City, with arguably one of the most militant Unions in Modern UK History (Other than perhaps the Coal Miners in the '80s), and the colour of their Labour Party is Dark Red and not Light Red.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_dockers%27_strike

Billy Bragg---"Never Cross a Picket Line"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojPTz4VAOMA

So. let's fast forward to 2010....

Look at the Council elections within Liverpool... the Tories haven't been players in forever, but look at what happens to the Liberal Democrats (Hint: Obliterated)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_City_Council

So, pretty clear this is ancestral Labour country with a fighting tradition, and although as elsewhere in the UK we had to beat the Fascists of the National Front back during hard times, even in our soccer pitches, we never once folded to the lies and deceit of the Tories and the UKIP over many decades.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-popular-in-liverpool-sun-could-learn-a7726081.html

So myself, do not find it remarkable that Liverpool not only totally embraced a true Labour candidate like Corbyn, but also is one of the most Left-Wing cities throughout the UK.

Now although I'm not quite ready to do a compare and contrast with Glasgow, my son-in-law grew up there after this parent's fled the Troubles in Ireland, where he met my sister..

So, here's a classic Celtic supporter song, since there were various discussions about the power of Football Clubs in Liverpool and political identity....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awositUJYLM

[NOVA Green]

So unless I'm mistaken the bottom graph appears to indicate that Labour won roughly 2:1 vs the Tories among UKIP voters?

Or, was there a massive defection of Tory voters to Labour and the UKIP voters split roughly down the Middle in '17?

Any sense of what's going on there?

[NOVA Green]

One thing that hardly anyone has noticed or noted anywhere but which I saw happening in my very own constituency* is that Labour has suddenly reclaimed all of those rural working class voters it had been shedding at a deeply alarming rate (and in all directions) these past fifteen years. Because of the electoral system it barely matters in practical terms (though has added a further boost to Labour's national PV total, do note) but it is an interesting development.

_{*Observed far more Labour posters than ones for other parties in the grimmer section of the market towns throughout the campaign. Which always used to be the case but had not been so for quite a while...}

Does the UK have the equivalent of US voting precincts where these numbers can be broken down into a further level of detail, beyond just constituencies top level results?

[NOVA Green]

No. The UK does not report any results whatsoever at a more granular level than constituencies.

Or at most, ward-level data serves as a proxy.

Incidentally, re the Survation poll and projecting seat totals from that, I'd take Wales losing 6 Labour seats to the Tories with a grain of salt.

Ward level data?

What exactly is this and where is it available?