UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[Filuwaúrdjan]

To confirm: they've resigned the whip and will sit together as a formal parliamentary group, but have not formed a new party.

[rc18]

Yet; the SDP wasn’t formed straight away either. They may wait until the Lib Dems in the Tory party join.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Hope they don't get sued by The Independent.... hahaha!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yet; the SDP wasn’t formed straight away either.

This is correct. Of course the news cycle moved at a slower pace back then.

[rc18]

Probably a good idea to drag it out though so they remain in the headlines.

[Silent Hunter]

See if anyone else joins them. Do we call them TIG to go on with?

[GoTfan]

Great.

There goes any chance of a left wing Labour Party.

[rc18]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

[StateBoiler]

It's becoming a bit like Charlie Brown and the football with all this Labour split stuff. It didn't happen the first 834 times it was reported as being imminent, it won't happen the 835th. I maintain that if the people who need to do it had the guts to do it they would have done it a long, long time ago.

This aged well.

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

[DaWN]

It's becoming a bit like Charlie Brown and the football with all this Labour split stuff. It didn't happen the first 834 times it was reported as being imminent, it won't happen the 835th. I maintain that if the people who need to do it had the guts to do it they would have done it a long, long time ago.

This aged well.

If you'd care to read up a bit, you'll be able to see that I acknowledged that this prediction was poor.

[DaWN]

They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

[GoTfan]

They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

Oh so he was elected leader twice because he was some sort of left-wing Hitler?

[StateBoiler]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

[DaWN]

They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

Oh so he was elected leader twice because he was some sort of left-wing Hitler?

I never said that. My point was that being elected twice does nothing to actually disprove he was a left-wing Hitler. He isn't - even I wouldn't dream of going that far - but his being elected in a bizarre fluke in 2015 where the establishment did literally everything wrong, and in 2016 where the Labour electorate had become very left-wing does not prove that he isn't one ideology or another.

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

[rc18]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

You know who else got a huge democratic mandate...?

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

You know who else got a huge democratic mandate...?

Ah, so now you are openly comparing him to Adolf Hitler.

Nice. Never thought someone would actually be capable of sinking that low.

[The Free North]

So how much of this is due to anti-semitism in Labour

[GoTfan]

So how much of this is due to anti-semitism in Labour

I'd be genuinely suprised if any of it was.

It seems to be a combination of brexit and people wanting attention.

[DaWN]

So how much of this is due to anti-semitism in Labour

It, or rather Corbyn's lacklustre response to it, is certainly a major factor, but I think it's secondary to Brexit and general discontent.

[rc18]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

You know who else got a huge democratic mandate...?

Ah, so now you are openly comparing him to Adolf Hitler.

Nice. Never thought someone would actually be capable of sinking that low.

Since you aren't British you won't have gotten that line was a reference to Ken Livingston's rants about Hitler.  Nice attempt to turn the tables though, but it won't work.

No i'm not attempting to compare him to Hitler, he isn't that capable for a start.

The point was you clearly weren't getting that simply being democratically elected isn't logically a defence from being an anti-semitic nutjob.

[GoTfan]

Given the hard left hounded them out you'd think Corbynites would be happier.

They're not taking any sort of principled stand by leaving. They're doing it for publiciity, because the public are idiots and love people who 'heroically fall on their sword'.

I suppose congratulations are in order to the Blairites. They've successfully undermined Labour's first left-wing leader in years by painting him as some sort of left-wing Hitler (despite the fact he was elected leader both times with over 50% of the vote).

Well, if you want a more pure Labour Party, shouldn't all the Blairites leave, and then get all the votes from more Blairite-minded voters when elections come around?

Not the point.

Corbyn was twice elected leader. Once over four other candidates. Once when he faced a cabinet revolt. Both times with a huge mandate.

You know who else got a huge democratic mandate...?

Ah, so now you are openly comparing him to Adolf Hitler.

Nice. Never thought someone would actually be capable of sinking that low.

Since you aren't British you won't have gotten that line was a reference to Ken Livingston's rants about Hitler.  Nice attempt to turn the tables though, but it won't work.

No i'm not attempting to compare him to Hitler, is isn't that capable for a start.

The point was you clearly weren't getting that simply being democratically elected isn't logically a defence from being an anti-semitic nutjob.

Except from what I've seen, Corbyn is not personally anti-semitic. Could he have done more? Absolutely. Did he do too little? Absolutely. 

The point is, this is not helping the image of those who resigned. There will be a hell of a lot of people who see it as little more than an attempt at grabbing headlines.

[rc18]

So how much of this is due to anti-semitism in Labour

I'd be genuinely suprised if any of it was.

It seems to be a combination of brexit and people wanting attention.

Yeah, can't imagine why a female Jewish MP who has been mercilessly racially abused by Corbynites would want to leave the party.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Every MP who states "Never Corbyn" is a hero. It might not help their reelection chances, but it decreases the chance of a Corbyn regime and ensures they'll be on the right side of history.