UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[Silent Hunter]

When will it be time for them to support it?

[Lumine]

When will it be time for them to support it?

I'd imagine right after Brexit is done, at which point Corbyn may express some half-hearted regret the proper time never came.

[DaWN]

When will it be time for them to support it?

If your great hope to deliver us a second referendum is Jeremy '7 out of 10' Corbyn, then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.

[Silent Hunter]

I've long been disappointed by Corbyn. Although People's Vote don't want this tonight...

[DaWN]

Anyway, I said up thread that the only reason they supported a 2nd ref a few weeks ago was to stop voters and MPs jumping ship and it looks like I've been vindicated. Corbyn won't let anything get in the way of Brexit when he thinks it's going to deliver his socialist utopia. It was never going to be any other way.

I don't think this matters though because even with Labour I doubt there was a 2nd ref majority in the Commons. Outcomes other than No Deal look less and less likely with each passing hour.

[Silent Hunter]

Unless May is told she needs to have a second referendum to get an extension.

[Former President tack50]

So, as of now, is there anything that would get a majority in the commons?

A 2nd referendum?
A no deal Brexit?
Some sort of different Brexit deal? (say, EEA membership or something)

As of now, it seems the future of the UK hinges on the EU.

Seems like the most likely scenario is: UK asks for extension
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If the extension is not granted (remember, only one country is needed to veto an extension), then the UK leaves with no deal

If the extension is granted, the EU will ask for something in return, whether it is a general election to get things sorted out (or not) or a 2nd referendum.

[Sestak]

Also, if Labour were to come out in support of a second vote, wouldn’t this guarantee the Tories a win at the next election by getting all the Leave vote while the Remain vote splits?

[DavidB.]

is there any reason some minor country (say, Lithuania) could not use the EU unanimity requirement to extort billions out of the UK? build us a new port or suffer brexit, etc

Western European countries are too economically connected to the UK, Eastern Europeans historically have a good relationship with the UK because of their mutual focus on free trade. But I've been thinking about this. If this does happen (and it definitely won't) it would be the Lega-M5S government in Italy, which doesn't care too much about the future of the EU and the geopolitical consequences of all this.

[parochial boy]

With Lithuania in particular, there's also the point that about 5% of Lithuanians live in the UK...

Beyond that, with the usual suspects (Poland, Hungary, Italy...) that you might expect to veto it, there is also the argument that none of them would particularly want to pick another fight with the EU over this.

Honestly though, if I was going to bet, I would predict that enough ERG'ers and remainers get cold feet next wednesday for May to get her deal through.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1100252/brexit-news-vote-second-referendum-labour-independent-group/amp

[Former President tack50]

is there any reason some minor country (say, Lithuania) could not use the EU unanimity requirement to extort billions out of the UK? build us a new port or suffer brexit, etc

Western European countries are too economically connected to the UK, Eastern Europeans historically have a good relationship with the UK because of their mutual focus on free trade. But I've been thinking about this. If this does happen (and it definitely won't) it would be the Lega-M5S government in Italy, which doesn't care too much about the future of the EU and the geopolitical consequences of all this.

Also worth noting that some hardcore Brexiteers are trying to lobby Italy into forcing no deal.

Probably their influence is tiny but worth noting.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Did Theresa May provide any reason why she wants to put the rejected Brexit deal to another vote on March 20, while at the same time rejecting another referendum on Brexit?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Italy, Hungary, et al have shown nearly zero support for the UK throughout this whole process and have stuck to the Commission line. Why would they change now? Why would they want No Deal?

More likely pressure to block an extension will come from the other angle, the desire to make sure the UK decides now and stop wasting everyone's time.

[DaWN]

https://www.libdems.org.uk/the-next-chapter-vince

Cable resigning.

[brucejoel99]

https://www.libdems.org.uk/the-next-chapter-vince

Cable resigning.

Jo Swinson's time to shine?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

How many leaders have the LibDems been through since Clegg?

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

How many leaders have the LibDems been through since Clegg?

Just two, Farron and Cable, but it's been less than four years since Clegg left (although it feels like an eternity).

[Sestak]

Since we’re pretty much at 2000, new thread.

[Tintrlvr]

https://www.libdems.org.uk/the-next-chapter-vince

Cable resigning.

Jo Swinson's time to shine?

More likely Layla Moran. Jo Swinson is old news.