UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[DaWN]

https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1052195561544278016?s=19

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1052206201876885504?s=19

Bye bye you old hack. Shame it's not going to be sooner, but I can at least be partially content that one terrible old political has-been in this country is out the door.

[Angel of Death]

Audrey, if you're going to post so much in any thread, don't have such a large signature image.

[Angel of Death]

That's obviously not the point; it makes for an unpleasant experience going through the thread.

[Tintrlvr]

That's obviously not the point; it makes for an unpleasant experience going through the thread.

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[IceAgeComing]

the question I have is why on earth has the an old fashioned name for a little used (unless you have a crap wicket keeper) Cricket fielding position taken over the world like this.  Should be called the Irish Deep Fine Leg really...

[Silent Hunter]

And here's the thing. We're arguing about the insurance policy when we haven't even bought the car.

[Silent Hunter]

Then it's time for Labour to put country before party and work with May to find an acceptable deal.

[Silent Hunter]

One or two of these pop up most years, so it shouldn't lead to more than sexist jokes.

[Silent Hunter]

That Scottish cow is like the rest of us. Had enough of Brexit.

[parochial boy]

Yep a right-wing think tank director and a right wing commentator think Brexit will be ok, so clearly the "experts" are wrong. Everybody in the world owes Britain a favour, which is why it's OK to support an ideologically right-wing project passed with the express aim of turning the country into a capitalist dystopia all while ensuring the the right-wing entitled posh boys, moving their assets off to Ireland or the Continent; will never have to pay the price.

What a good little load of Tommies the English are, bravely marching off to be slaughtered at the order of their betters.

[Silent Hunter]

The unemployment figures do not include those doing part time work but wanting full time or those engaged in single hours contracts.

[parochial boy]

So leaving the European Union a right wing project? Tell that to steel workers in Redcar, Stocksbridge and port Talbot (all whom voted leave overwhelmingly), or coalfield towns in the east midlands, north east and Yorkshire, or the fishing communities in Cornwall and hull 🤗🤔

The experts told us the day we vote for Brexit, the country will go into recession, there will be an emergency budget, 3 million jobs will be lost, Unilever leaving to the Netherlands, etc etc
It's getting old and boring, reminds of the whole we must join the euro or else England is doomed back in early 2000s

Yes it was a right wing project - look at who led the campaign, look at what Arron Banks, Jacob Rees-Mogg's, Boris Johnson's, Dominic Raab's, Andrea Leadsom's visions for society is - it's low taxes, low regulation, privatise, get rid of worker protections and so on. You can continue to stick your head in the sand and pretend otherwise, but that is what it is, and every indication so far is that is the policy line the UK is going to follow once/if it can.

The mere fact that working class people support something does not make it left wing. That is, let's be honest, pretty basic political analysis.

As for the economic side - well it's nice to see to see you parroting right wing talking points about unemployment and so on; but the UK is at the bottom of the pack as concerns economic growth rates within the EU; has seen a marked decline in economic indicators such as investment, which are generally an indicator of things to come; suffers from chronic underemployment (the drop in unemployment has been overwhelmingly driven by growth in, often precarious and lowly paid "self-employment"); real wages are still stagnant; inflation is increasing.... anyone can cherry pick the economic data they want - and this is before the UK actually leaves.

The leave campaign also declared that leaving would be the easiest thing on the world; that there would be untold millions for the NHS - both which were patent lies, and patent lies that you have decided to give them a pass on even now that the UK is in the midst of a political crisis due to precisely how difficult coming to a deal actually is.

[Zaybay]

So leaving the European Union a right wing project? Tell that to steel workers in Redcar, Stocksbridge and port Talbot (all whom voted leave overwhelmingly), or coalfield towns in the east midlands, north east and Yorkshire, or the fishing communities in Cornwall and hull 🤗🤔

The experts told us the day we vote for Brexit, the country will go into recession, there will be an emergency budget, 3 million jobs will be lost, Unilever leaving to the Netherlands, etc etc
It's getting old and boring, reminds of the whole we must join the euro or else England is doomed back in early 2000s

https://twitter.com/OliverCooper/status/1053255569199583232?s=19


But no, we have to listen to posh middle class people in Bath, Tunbridge Wells, Beaconsfield and Wandsworth, they know better 😉

the economy doing well isnt an indicator on the success/failure of Brexit. Britain is lagging behind the rest of the EU and other major world powers, and hasnt seen the benefits from Brexit at all. Having slight economic growth when the world economy is booming isnt a good sign.

Its a Right Wing Project, made by xenophobes and nationalists. A project that will end in tatters.

[Blair]

1.) we’ve discussed many times already that the British fishing industry was already dying- it’s another job sector that has been turned into a culture wars baton when in fact automation killed it a lot more than the EU did.

2.) I don’t think people being ‘posh’ invalidates they’re political opinion.

3.) Liverpool- one the historic bastions of the industrial organised working class voted 58%.

It’s all about culture folks- people in Redcar weren’t voting against state subsidy laws were they?

[Silent Hunter]

They're voting against immigrants who don't live in Redcar.

[Blair]

They're voting against immigrants who don't live in Redcar.

Yep- I remember reading polling of similar areas in the 1970s which said they hated the race relations act, wanted to keep out the East African Asians, wanted to ban buggery and being back the gallows.

If you polled these communities now you’d find similar sentiments about banning burqas, cracking down benefit claimants and stopping immigration.

I’m talking about the whole population of places like redcar- only 55% of those who turned out voted labour

[Silent Hunter]

It's more a case of the highest Leave votes had the lowest immigrant numbers. I live in Havering, the whitest borough in London. It's had BNP councillors in the past.

[Hnv1]

It's more a case of the highest Leave votes had the lowest immigrant numbers. I live in Havering, the whitest borough in London. It's had BNP councillors in the past.

Boston or Lincolnshire come to mind, though the midlands would point to the opposite direction

[parochial boy]

Switzerland was never going to happen. It's taken thirty years to get to where we are, and the EU has (probably rightfully) realised when it was being taken for a ride, which is why we are currently having a massive internal debate about the accord cadre; which would have been so much more straightforward if it hadn't been for Britain's infernal "me me me"ism

[Silent Hunter]

It isn't a hugely paying job, though. If you want to get wealthy, you don't become an MP.

[Silent Hunter]

I agree on the need for fewer MPs. My comment was that you can earn far more in the private sector with a good deal less aggro and a lot better job security.

You think MPs today are 'corrupt', it used to be a lot worse.

[Silent Hunter]

Congratulations!

[PSOL]

Campaign launched to recognise Muslims and other faiths who fought in first world war
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/28/remember-together-campaign-muslims-other-faiths-fought-first-world-war-armistice-centenary

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[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

they need to come clean and admit they have no credible plan and just go for EFTA (Norway option) or join the EEA

The whole point of Brexit was to no longer be a party to the EEA requirement for the free movement of persons.  Neither of those options achieve that and thus neither can happen, at least under the current government.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

^^
The EU offered
EFTA (Norway)
Canada style free trade deal for GB only, while Northern Ireland remains part of the Customs Union and Single Market,

EFTA members are part of the EEA (except Switzerland), including the Freedom of Movement (which Switzerland agreed to separately.  Plus, the EU has made it clear that an EFTA-lite without Freedom of Movement is a non-starter. A Canada-style deal might happen, tho as you point out it will cause problems for Ireland and it doesn't achieve everything Britain wants out of Brexit.