UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[Silent Hunter]

Well, we'll have to see what the plan is now, won't we.

[parochial boy]

Or chaos with Ed Milliband...

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I'm starting to think there will actually be a No Deal Brexit Vs Remain referendum (and I'm not looking forward to it).

[Silent Hunter]

I'm starting to think there will actually be a No Deal Brexit Vs Remain referendum (and I'm not looking forward to it).

Neither am I.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

I'm starting to think there will actually be a No Deal Brexit Vs Remain referendum (and I'm not looking forward to it).

Is there actually time for a new referendum? How much time would be necessary between announcing a referendum and when a vote could actually be held?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44847404

This says that it was 4 months from when Cameron announced the last referendum until the vote was held. So if it took 4 months again, even if a new referendum were announced today, that would take us up until the March expiry of Article 50.

So how is there time unless something changes? For a referendum to be possible, doesn't the UK either have to cancel (at least temporarily) article 50, or else the EU has to agree to an extension? Would they do so?

And then, after a referendum, there would need to be more time for politicians to respond to the results of the referendum, time for any other negotiations that might need to take place, and time for parliament to vote on anything that might need to be voted on.

So how does the tick-tock of this idea actually work? Is it actually feasible, or just a pipe dream?

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

"It took over a year and a half to negotiate, it has the support of 28 governments" - Irish PM Leo Varadkar says that Brexit deal is "the only agreement on the table"

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-46506969

Yeah, the EU doesn't really seem to have any incentive to negotiate any further changes. The UK appears to be is living in a dream world in which it imagines the UK has much more influence and leverage than it actually does. "Wouldn't it be nice if..."

[Silent Hunter]

So how is there time unless something changes? For a referendum to be possible, doesn't the UK either have to cancel (at least temporarily) article 50, or else the EU has to agree to an extension? Would they do so?

EU would likely agree an A50 extension for a second referendum; they don't really want the UK to leave.

[Alabama_Indy10]

I can’t wait for May to be gone.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I can’t wait for May to be gone.

[Silent Hunter]

I can’t wait for May to be gone.

Who do you want to replace her?

[Lourdes]

I can’t wait for May to be gone.

[Silent Hunter]

https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1072139474413465605

^^ what does that mean? the government no longer thinks it has a deal?!

The government thinks it has a deal.

[Hnv1]

was there ever a PM with less support? the fact that she still clings to her post is amazing

[Silent Hunter]

was there ever a PM with less support? the fact that she still clings to her post is amazing

Yes. The second MacDonald government.

[Alabama_Indy10]

I can’t wait for May to be gone.

Who do you want to replace her?

Well it doesn't seem like there's many good options. I'm a supporter of Brexit so I guess I wouldn't mind somebody like David Davis.

[Silent Hunter]

Davis would take us out without a deal in all likelihood.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Davis would take us out without a deal in all likelihood.

What Tory would you like to see as PM?

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

UK, YouGov poll, European Union membership referendum:
Scenario: Remain vs. May Deal

Remain: 62% (+12)
Leave (May Deal): 38% (-12)

(24% undecided not included)
Fieldwork: 6-7 December 2018

Well, the EU is not going to agree to anything significantly different from May's deal, so the choice is either Remain or Crash out. That is what they should be polling.

So the question is, are you feeling lucky?

[Zaybay]

UK, YouGov poll, European Union membership referendum:
Scenario: Remain vs. May Deal

Remain: 62% (+12)
Leave (May Deal): 38% (-12)

(24% undecided not included)
Fieldwork: 6-7 December 2018

Well, the EU is not going to agree to anything significantly different from May's deal, so the choice is either Remain or Crash out. That is what they should be polling.

So the question is, are you feeling lucky?

If May's deal is only getting 38%, then the crash faction is getting much lower.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

UK, YouGov poll, European Union membership referendum:
Scenario: Remain vs. May Deal

Remain: 62% (+12)
Leave (May Deal): 38% (-12)

(24% undecided not included)
Fieldwork: 6-7 December 2018

Well, the EU is not going to agree to anything significantly different from May's deal, so the choice is either Remain or Crash out. That is what they should be polling.

So the question is, are you feeling lucky?

If May's deal is only getting 38%, then the crash faction is getting much lower.

Then it is time for backsies.

[DaWN]

hahahahah we're so f!cked

[mvd10]

UK, YouGov poll, European Union membership referendum:
Scenario: Remain vs. May Deal

Remain: 62% (+12)
Leave (May Deal): 38% (-12)

(24% undecided not included)
Fieldwork: 6-7 December 2018

Well, the EU is not going to agree to anything significantly different from May's deal, so the choice is either Remain or Crash out. That is what they should be polling.

So the question is, are you feeling lucky?

If May's deal is only getting 38%, then the crash faction is getting much lower.

Are we sure? There probably are a lot of butthurt Brexiteers who would just refuse to vote because May's deal would make the UK a ''vassal state'' according to them.

[Silent Hunter]

Davis would take us out without a deal in all likelihood.

What Tory would you like to see as PM?

Sajid Javid.

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I don't want Javid to be PM, but I'd I was a conservative I'd probably want him given he is broadly acceptable to all factions and doesn't have any glaring personality flaws (e.g. Hunt is too superficial, Leadsom is dumb, Gove is a weasel, BoJo is a human disaster)

Very funny business with the mace, although he could have theatrically waved it around like Heseltine.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Very funny business with the mace, although he could have theatrically waved it around like Heseltine.

It's surprisingly heavy. Still, at least he didn't drop it and make a total tit of himself like Ron Brown.