UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[Dereich]

If the vote fails, what options remain?  Delay or No Deal?  Is May out?  Do we get a general election?

I don't think this failure will absolutely preclude anything; I assume May will try to go tweak the deal. Delay would need the EU to agree, so its unlikely. And if the May deal failing would force a general election there wouldn't be quite so many Tories voting against it.

[Sir Tiki]

The Labour frontbencher, joint SNP/PC, and Sir Leigh amendments will not be voted on, leaving only the Baron amendment up for a vote before the main deal vote happens.

EDIT: Baron's amendment has been defeated 24-600, the MPs have now started voting on the withdrawal agreement.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Beautiful poll from the Gold Standard!

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1083868601491382272

If you're still rooting for Corbyn to take power after the last few months, you're either rooting for an antisemitic terror state or a war to prevent one.

lol. Corbyn will be in power and nothing of substantial difference will happen in regards to Israel-Palestine,  Israel will continue to be a settler state oppressing the rights of Palestinians. The west bank will continue to be a poverty-stricken sh!thole and Gaza will continue to be run by religious fanatics as their hospitals and schools get shot at by the Isreali government. Youll be happy.

Corbyn could flat-out support a one-state solution (which he doesn't btw- he supports a two-state solution 1967 borders- albeit with stupidly supporting the right to return) and nothing would change.

But let's ignore the fact that conservatives support the vilest anti-Semitic and war criminal regime around the world such as Saudi Arabia.

The Corbyn is an anti-semtie is a dead trope that won't work with the British people and is designed to have people ignore the vile policies implemented by the conservative government.

#Corbyn for PM

Your coldblooded endorsement of the Western world's most antisemitic would-be leader in generations is noted. He won't be allowed to get control of Trident one way or another. Never again means never again.

Are you suggesting that you think Corbyn is going to nuke Israel?

[Sir Tiki]

Brexit deal rejected 202-432.

[DaWN]

In the least surprising development in recent political history in this country, May has lost. The final vote is 202-432

[Sestak]

202-432. Was that even worse than expected or on par?

[The Dowager Mod]

No confidence vote tomorrow?

[Sir Tiki]

Corbyn has tabled a no-confidence motion in May's government, a debate will happen tomorrow.

EDIT: No real surprise, but the SNP has said that they'll support the no-confidence motion. The DUP will back the government.

[DaWN]

Corbyn has tabled a vote of no confidence in the government. On any other night I'd think it likely the senile fool had finally lost the plot, but with such anti-May sentiment at a height for obvious reasons, it might just be the right time.

[Illiniwek]

Lol May sucks.

[The Dowager Mod]

Worst government defeat since 1924.

[Oryxslayer]

What % do you give the no confidence of succeeding? 25%? 33%? The Tories won't willingly hand power to Corbyn, so it requires either a DUP betrayal or the Tories supporting a new election.

Edit: DUP state they will back May, so I put the % now even lower maybe 15%

[rc18]

202-432. Was that even worse than expected or on par?

I think it's fair to say worse. Losing by perhaps 150-200 seems to have been expected.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Lol

[YL]

Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

What a clownfiesta.

[YL]

202-432. Was that even worse than expected or on par?

A bit worse.

I think it was worse than Corbyn was expecting, too, as he said it was the biggest defeat since 1924, but it was actually bigger than any of the 1924 ones.

[Lechasseur]

Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

Which Tory MPs voted against the Brexit deal? The Reamainers or the Hard Brexit supporters?

[parochial boy]

So aside from wasting nearly a third of the remaining available time, delaying the vote by a month achieved... what exactly?

[rc18]

Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

Which Tory MPs voted against the Brexit deal? The Reamainers or the Hard Brexit supporters?

MPs who support leaving on decent terms.

So aside from wasting nearly a third of the remaining available time, delaying the vote by a month achieved... what exactly?

Running down the clock was probably precisely the plan...

[DaWN]

So aside from wasting nearly a third of the remaining available time, delaying the vote by a month achieved... what exactly?

Absolutely f!ck all, of course. What else were you expecting?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The DUP will vote to prop up the limpet Prime Minister, because of course.

So aside from wasting nearly a third of the remaining available time, delaying the vote by a month achieved... what exactly?

The plan may be to try again with even less time left and try to get it through via fear alone.

[Lechasseur]

Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

Which Tory MPs voted against the Brexit deal? The Reamainers or the Hard Brexit supporters?

MPs who support leaving on decent terms.

What should have been in the deal that wasn't in your opinion? And what in the deal shouldn't have been in there?

[YL]

Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

Which Tory MPs voted against the Brexit deal? The Reamainers or the Hard Brexit supporters?

Both.

[YL]

What % do you give the no confidence of succeeding? 25%? 33%? The Tories won't willingly hand power to Corbyn, so it requires either a DUP betrayal or the Tories supporting a new election.

Edit: DUP state they will back May, so I put the % now even lower maybe 15%

It would need about eight Tories to vote against her, so I don't think there's a realistic path.