UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

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Income inequality isn't everything. Granted, I live in France's poorest (non-rural) region, but almost all of my better educated friends (me included) are either leaving the country or plan on leaving the country once they finish school (mostly to go to Belgium, Switzerland, Canada or Germany) because work here is incredibly hard to find and most of the jobs that do exist pay badly (I have a friend who's an IT engineer and who's planning on moving to Switzerland because in France he couldn't find anyone who would offer him a salary higher than 1400€/month). What's the point of income equality if everyone is going to be poor or unemployed (except for the elite who come out of the top schools, of course (if France has such a strong welfare state it's to buy social peace and allow the Parisian bourgeoisie to dominate and not because the French are so socialist like Scandinavians per say)?

Edit: I wrote this post because Audrey was comparing Inequality in the UK to Inequality in France. Sure, France is more equal but the huge flip side is it's very hard to succeed here if you're from the wrong family or wrong part of the country. And that's not due to a lack of social welfare, that's due to cultural issues and the mentality of the French elite (like most of France's problems; for example that's why so many French people pay to attend very expensive business or engineering schools while the public universities are almost free).

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Bercow really doesn't like May.

Bercow is a Conservative In Name Only, so that's not a shock

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Labour had plenty of leads like that under Ed Milliband. Just saying.

True, it doesn't mean much. I think the preferred leader polls are generally more indicative of the election results than the preferred party polls.

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Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

Which Tory MPs voted against the Brexit deal? The Reamainers or the Hard Brexit supporters?

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Three Labour MPs voted with the Government: Ian Austin (Dudley North), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), John Mann (Bassetlaw).  All other Labour MPs voted against, except for Deputy Speakers and Paul Flynn (Newport West) who I understand is too ill to attend.

Among the Independents, Sylvia Hermon (North Down), Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne) and Frank Field (Birkenhead) voted with the Government; Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Jared O'Mara (Sheffield Hallam), Fiona Onasanya (Peterborough) and John Woodcock (Barrow & Furness) voted against.

118 Tories voted against the Government, 196 (plus 2 tellers) with.  No abstentions, other than Eleanor Laing who is a Deputy Speaker and so doesn't vote.

All SNP, Plaid, Green and DUP MPs voted against.

Which Tory MPs voted against the Brexit deal? The Reamainers or the Hard Brexit supporters?

MPs who support leaving on decent terms.

What should have been in the deal that wasn't in your opinion? And what in the deal shouldn't have been in there?

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Penny Mourdant would be a good Tory leader and Prime Minister

She is youthful, she could beat Corbyn.

I've never heard of her