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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2017, 03:12:02 pm »
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No, and anyone who proposes such a thing is un-American.

I forget, was it the 1st or 2nd French Republic that enabled the American colonies to win their war of independence ?

Enemy of my enemy, lesser of two evils, etc.

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What's to question?

relevance.

I realize I didn't word that very well. My point was that the United States and the French Monarchy having a common enemy in England doesn't necessarily mean that the French Monarchy stood for the same values as the United States.
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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2017, 06:13:28 pm »
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No, and anyone who proposes such a thing is un-American.

I forget, was it the 1st or 2nd French Republic that enabled the American colonies to win their war of independence ?

Enemy of my enemy, lesser of two evils, etc.

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What's to question?

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I realize I didn't word that very well. My point was that the United States and the French Monarchy having a common enemy in England doesn't necessarily mean that the French Monarchy stood for the same values as the United States.

Faure, Murat, and Fouché were almost certainly the main three who convinced Napoleon to repress certain liberties, as well as the advice of his brother Lucien, and they may have assured him that it was "temporary". Fouché managed to take almost everyone of his enemies out, and generally showed himself to be not too nice.
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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2017, 08:09:40 pm »
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No, and anyone who proposes such a thing is un-American.

I forget, was it the 1st or 2nd French Republic that enabled the American colonies to win their war of independence ?

Enemy of my enemy, lesser of two evils, etc.

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I realize I didn't word that very well. My point was that the United States and the French Monarchy having a common enemy in England doesn't necessarily mean that the French Monarchy stood for the same values as the United States.

Foreign policy is almost always guided by common "interests", not common values. We were allied with the French Ancien Regime against Britain, we fought the French First Republic in the Quasi War at sea, and The French Second Empire was favorable to the South in the American Civil War. All of these were dictated by the interests of the parties involved, not their values or ideology. 
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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2017, 11:41:15 pm »
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No, and anyone who proposes such a thing is un-American.

I forget, was it the 1st or 2nd French Republic that enabled the American colonies to win their war of independence ?

Enemy of my enemy, lesser of two evils, etc.

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relevance.

I realize I didn't word that very well. My point was that the United States and the French Monarchy having a common enemy in England doesn't necessarily mean that the French Monarchy stood for the same values as the United States.

True, but one can still be grateful.
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« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2017, 07:30:10 am »
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No, and anyone who proposes such a thing is un-American.

I forget, was it the 1st or 2nd French Republic that enabled the American colonies to win their war of independence ?

Enemy of my enemy, lesser of two evils, etc.

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What's to question?

relevance.

I realize I didn't word that very well. My point was that the United States and the French Monarchy having a common enemy in England doesn't necessarily mean that the French Monarchy stood for the same values as the United States.

True, but one can still be grateful.

What purpose would gratitude serve in a situation such as this? America was in no position to somehow prevent the execution of Citizen Capet.
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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2017, 10:27:36 pm »
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Of course! But they should not restore a member of the Houses Bourbon, Orleans, or Bonaparte, but HM Queen Elizabeth II! According to the Treaty of Troyes, she is the rightful heir to the throne of France and while we're at it, let's get Ireland back into the fold: it would be the United Kingdom of Great Britain, France, and Ireland.

Of course the monarchy should not be restored in France, and the Windsors acceding to the throne of France is just as likely as a Bourbon at this point.
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« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2017, 03:52:47 pm »
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I actually support this now because, you see, although Louis XIV was not a socialist in the traditional sense of the word; he quite clearly was one, and therefore I support him.
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« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2017, 02:18:09 am »
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Of course! But they should not restore a member of the Houses Bourbon, Orleans, or Bonaparte, but HM Queen Elizabeth II! According to the Treaty of Troyes, she is the rightful heir to the throne of France and while we're at it, let's get Ireland back into the fold: it would be the United Kingdom of Great Britain, France, and Ireland.

A fair point...except the British relinquished all claims on the French throne in the Treaty of Amiens. Wink
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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2017, 03:26:19 am »
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I actually support this now because, you see, although Louis XIV was not a socialist in the traditional sense of the word; he quite clearly was one, and therefore I support him.

While every socialist is by definition a "State Capitalist", not every "State Capitalist" was a socialist.

Though for this period the proper term is Mercantilist, not State Capitalist, but the idea is similar at least from a perspective of government intervention, sponsorship of infrastructure and trade protectionism.

Edit: After seeing the Nazis as leftwing thread, lol.
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« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2017, 03:01:04 pm »
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Of course! But they should not restore a member of the Houses Bourbon, Orleans, or Bonaparte, but HM Queen Elizabeth II! According to the Treaty of Troyes, she is the rightful heir to the throne of France and while we're at it, let's get Ireland back into the fold: it would be the United Kingdom of Great Britain, France, and Ireland.

A fair point...except the British relinquished all claims on the French throne in the Treaty of Amiens. Wink

Fake Treaty! Sad.
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« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2017, 03:06:13 pm »
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Can I be the King of France?  I'm sure I could forge some documents claiming I was related to Louis XVI.

I wonder if there are any illegitimate descendents of Louis XV, I mean he was after all, "one horny fellow" as Crazy Kal put it.

All existing legitimate Capetians are descended from Louis XIII, the Carlists from Louis XIV and the Orleanists from his brother, who was also one horny fellow and a rather bisexual one at that.
The male line through Louis XV is extinct, not through Louis XIV or Louis XIII however.

By the way, Louis XIV's brother wasn't bisexual, he was gay.

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« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2017, 05:45:01 pm »
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Can I be the King of France?  I'm sure I could forge some documents claiming I was related to Louis XVI.

I wonder if there are any illegitimate descendents of Louis XV, I mean he was after all, "one horny fellow" as Crazy Kal put it.

All existing legitimate Capetians are descended from Louis XIII, the Carlists from Louis XIV and the Orleanists from his brother, who was also one horny fellow and a rather bisexual one at that.
The male line through Louis XV is extinct, not through Louis XIV or Louis XIII however.

By the way, Louis XIV's brother wasn't bisexual, he was gay.


The male legitimate line without a doubt. I was wondering if there were any descendants male or female, by his mistresses. Kind of like with Charles II of England.

Are 17th century sources really going to be concise enough on the matter to confirm that he was gay and not bi?
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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2017, 06:58:22 pm »
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I get arguments in favor of keeping monarchies, and of replacing monarchies with republics, but what's the upside with turning republics into monarchies? more democracy plz
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